Live data from Hacker News

AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

nevo-project.epfl.ch

41–50 of 258 posts

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

#42
post #33
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does indeed seem comically evil. While surely this may provide somewhat interesting insights in how our brain processes things, this seems squarely past the "should" part of "you scientists were so obsessed with whether you could you failed to consider whether you should"

> This does indeed seem comically evil. And I have yet to see a single paper like this where a researcher bails out and publicly says they refuse to work on such projects. Not one. The most benign interpretation of this observation is that science is filled with spineless opportunists who don’t care who they hurt with what they create. A slightly less benign interpretation might be that many of these people are doing…

Would it be better if this was done on monkeys? Because people did that before this in silico digital brain stuff.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

#43
post #33
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does indeed seem comically evil. While surely this may provide somewhat interesting insights in how our brain processes things, this seems squarely past the "should" part of "you scientists were so obsessed with whether you could you failed to consider whether you should"

> This does indeed seem comically evil. And I have yet to see a single paper like this where a researcher bails out and publicly says they refuse to work on such projects. Not one. The most benign interpretation of this observation is that science is filled with spineless opportunists who don’t care who they hurt with what they create. A slightly less benign interpretation might be that many of these people are doing…

In their defence, don't shoot the messenger. Just because they published it doesn't mean that others haven't already discovered it. Better to know its possible than be completely ignorant.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

#46
post #16

We are really getting to the point where the tech industry must be stopped if humanity is to continue at all, let alone thrive.

This does indeed seem comically evil. While surely this may provide somewhat interesting insights in how our brain processes things, this seems squarely past the "should" part of "you scientists were so obsessed with whether you could you failed to consider whether you should"

These aren't scientists. They are techbros. That's why it comes out like this.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

#47
Very interesting. We have an organic experiment converging to maximum stimulation in short form videos (which will become the majority of training data for future video gen models) Already approaching the capabilities of a “mood organ” from blade runner. Except usually most people don’t even make the choice to change their mood anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Androids_Dream_of_Electric_...

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

#48

We are really getting to the point where the tech industry must be stopped if humanity is to continue at all, let alone thrive.

I get that people see this and think: ads and social media. My first thought was cognitive neurorehabilitation and brain stimulation.

Realistically, probably ads, but maybe not only that?

(AI start-up idea: one of our ads a day keeps dementia away! /s)

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

#49
This is very similar to last week with that mind reading startup thing. Please read the paper before commenting.

This is a tool to help researchers in figuring out what different parts of the brain are actually for with less experimenter bias contamination of “well we think maybe it’s about this so let’s show it video of x to see”.

The essence runs on having someone sit in a scanner for a couple hours watching all sorts of things, and then feeding that to a model that will then build its own representation of said data and try different things on it until it’s found what makes a certain part sing in the model.

The purpose is a generalized understanding of brain function, more or less the same way we’ve been doing it all these years. Expose brain to something, record it somehow, see if brains reaction in the recording helps you understand more about who we are and what cognition is.

Re: AI-generated videos to maximally drive a target brain region

#50
post #43
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This does indeed seem comically evil. And I have yet to see a single paper like this where a researcher bails out and publicly says they refuse to work on such projects. Not one. The most benign interpretation of this observation is that science is filled with spineless opportunists who don’t care who they hurt with what they create. A slightly less benign interpretation might be that many of these people are doing…

In their defence, don't shoot the messenger. Just because they published it doesn't mean that others haven't already discovered it. Better to know its possible than be completely ignorant.

Then maybe publish the results, but don't publish the "how to".
Post reply on HN