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Re: What Big Food Did to Ice Cream

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Post by moltar »

riffraff wrote: post #32

On the European side of the pond, single packaged industrial ice cream is also gone to shit. A Magnum or Cornetto used to be a well sized very tasty snack. In Italy the "cucciolone" (an ice cream sandwich) was literally marketed as being "10 bites". All of those are now tiny bland things that nobody should buy. The Magnum Company (neé Algida/Walls/etc) is a fucking disaster and everybody should stop buying their prod…

At the same time I can get store brand ice cream for €1.50 per box of 6 that has two or three ingredients and tastes delicious. That’s in Portugal.

Re: What Big Food Did to Ice Cream

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Post by freak42 »

seszett wrote: post #45
freak42 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why was this written by a LLM?

It's a general feeling more than a precise diagnosis, and I guess it could also be a human that has internalised LLM style, or a human-written draft that was reworded by an LLM. But it just really feels like LLM writing.

But you wrote that it's a fact? That's not just a "general feeling"?

Re: What Big Food Did to Ice Cream

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

seszett wrote: post #18

> Perfect for feeding 20 hungry four-year-olds who wouldn’t know the difference. But few adults were fooled Setting aside the fact this was written by an LLM, I think this line of thought (which wasn't invented by the LLM, I mean it's something people actually think) is the very origin of this problem. The 4 year olds don't know better, but it's because they are learning what ice cream (and everything) is. And if you…

I don't think that's sufficient. You need to be there and tell them why the other one is shit. I love pistachio gelato (artisanal), and it's my easy way to spot if the gelato being served is good or sucks.

I give it to my daughter, so she tried many different pistachios (good and bad), but she still can't properly distinguish between the two (sometimes the difference is very big).

Me and a bunch of my friends have a clear memory, around the first year of high school, where we switched to "kids eating" to "adult eating", so I thought maybe the senses are not refined enough to use all that extra flavor details

Re: What Big Food Did to Ice Cream

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Post by seszett »

freak42 wrote: post #52
seszett wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a general feeling more than a precise diagnosis, and I guess it could also be a human that has internalised LLM style, or a human-written draft that was reworded by an LLM. But it just really feels like LLM writing.

But you wrote that it's a fact? That's not just a "general feeling"?

I wrote that because I wanted to avoid a sterile discussion on whether or not my comment was valid because the article was not written by a human.

As I said, the actual remark I made is independent on whether this article was written by an LLM or not.

It's still pretty obvious to me that it was, but I'm not sure what kind of "proof" you are looking for, you know as well as I do that it can't be proven one way or the other, so who cares?

Re: What Big Food Did to Ice Cream

#55

Post by lesostep »

safety1st wrote: post #47
seszett wrote: post #18

> Perfect for feeding 20 hungry four-year-olds who wouldn’t know the difference. But few adults were fooled Setting aside the fact this was written by an LLM, I think this line of thought (which wasn't invented by the LLM, I mean it's something people actually think) is the very origin of this problem. The 4 year olds don't know better, but it's because they are learning what ice cream (and everything) is. And if you…

Far be it from me to defend Big Food, but let's play devil's advocate for a moment, just facts with no LLM slop. Hyperbole aside they created a new product category which has less milk fat, and adds more air and gum/gelatin. It tastes similar to ice cream at half the calories, not so insignificant in a world where obesity is the #1 public health crisis. Their labeling is technically compliant with regulations but con…

>> at half the calories, not so insignificant in a world where obesity is the #1 public health crisis

It's not so simple. The problem is that fat calories and whole milk/cream make you feel fuller, leading to decrease in eating, leading to decrease in calories

While air with sugar – especially corn syrup – doesn't make you feel full as much, leading to overeating later. High blood sugar isn't good, so your body is mostly working to turn it into stored fat as fast as possible. After it's done converting, you will feel hungry again.

Fat inside your stomach on the other side is metabolizing slowly, and it's products are mostly spend on whatever you do.

People that count their calories could make an informed choice about their calories intake and just deal with additional hunger. People that rely on hunger and individual understanding of their bodies could misjudge easily when fat is switched to gum and syrup.

Re: What Big Food Did to Ice Cream

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Post by zarski »

Just a heads up.

Only Haagen-Dazs Chocolate, Vanilla, Strawberry, and Coffee are no-gums and basic ingredients (i.e. you can understand), their other flavors have all the same crap highlighted in the article.

Aldi's Premium Ice Cream is good less expensive alternative.

Re: What Big Food Did to Ice Cream

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Post by professoretc »

telesilla wrote: post #36
msftgreed wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't... heat it? Egg yolks change their role in ice cream when heated, increasing their emulsifying power and creating a richer ice cream.

An immersion blender like the Vitamix heats as it blends because of high friction, on high settings. I make soup with mine. https://www.vitamix.com/us/en_us/what-you-can-make/hot-soups

A Vitamix is not an immersion blender; an immersion blender is one you "immerse" in the thing you're blending, i.e., a stick or wand blender.

https://www.seriouseats.com/best-immersion-blenders

Wand blender don't make things hot enough to cook, so OP is indeed using raw eggs in their ice cream. Which is probably fine, it just means their ice cream isn't using a cooked custard base.

Re: What Big Food Did to Ice Cream

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Post by esafak »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #53
seszett wrote: post #18

> Perfect for feeding 20 hungry four-year-olds who wouldn’t know the difference. But few adults were fooled Setting aside the fact this was written by an LLM, I think this line of thought (which wasn't invented by the LLM, I mean it's something people actually think) is the very origin of this problem. The 4 year olds don't know better, but it's because they are learning what ice cream (and everything) is. And if you…

I don't think that's sufficient. You need to be there and tell them why the other one is shit. I love pistachio gelato (artisanal), and it's my easy way to spot if the gelato being served is good or sucks. I give it to my daughter, so she tried many different pistachios (good and bad), but she still can't properly distinguish between the two (sometimes the difference is very big). Me and a bunch of my friends have a…

I do that with my daughter and my wife says I'm teaching her to hate everything, emanating bad energy. It is tough to have higher standards than people around you. They're happy, you're the downer.

Re: What Big Food Did to Ice Cream

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Post by freak42 »

seszett wrote: post #54
freak42 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you wrote that it's a fact? That's not just a "general feeling"?

I wrote that because I wanted to avoid a sterile discussion on whether or not my comment was valid because the article was not written by a human. As I said, the actual remark I made is independent on whether this article was written by an LLM or not. It's still pretty obvious to me that it was, but I'm not sure what kind of "proof" you are looking for, you know as well as I do that it can't be proven one way or the…

I do care. Of course I know it can't be proven. But you could know the author,bwhat do I know. I just don't understand why people claim factual knowledge when they don't. It rubs me the wrong way and rightly so.
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