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Ben Bernanke Joins Anthropic Oversight Trust

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Re: Ben Bernanke Joins Anthropic Oversight Trust

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post #35

He's 72 years old, I'm sure he has the best brains and everyone's best interests in mind. This is exactly what I want to see. I'm sure he will have very good opinions on technology and it's implications.

Bjarne Stroustrup is 75 years old. I don't think that age per se tells us much.

What's Stroustrup up to these days though?

Re: Ben Bernanke Joins Anthropic Oversight Trust

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except Anthropic has delivered a truly world changing product…

So did Los Alamos? Edit: don't get me wrong, I'm a happy user. But I'd also be a happy consumer of refined sugar in the early 20th century. I'm still not sure if these tools won't destabilize society to the point of collapse. I don't think we understand the complexity of what's going on nearly enough, and am certainly not optimistic about AI being net good for us

This came up on the Lunch Money livestream yesterday. The entire episode is worth a listen but here's the relevant sections:

Krugman: "I've been writing some about downsides of technological change and I realized afterwards that if I really wanted a really stellar example of a productive important innovation that had terrible effects on society would be the cotton gin."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJxQbfbpf7M&t=25m38s

Richardson: "I always have a hard time articulating this, but the number of large plantations in which enslavers owned in air quotes, you know, more than 25 or more than 50 other human beings was a very very small proportion of the American South, less than 1%. The majority of people who again owned their black neighbors had one or two enslaved people on their farms. They weren't necessarily called plantations. And they would be working alongside those black Americans. And the cotton gin could have made small farms viable and could have ended human enslavement. And instead what they gave us was, you know, the the Trail of Tears in the 1830s that cleans indigenous Americans out of the southwestern land. You get an extraordinary land rush into the American South in the 1830s and the 1840s. And you get the establishment of these gigantic essentially factory farms. And that's a place where, you know, the majority of southerners, obviously the indigenous southerners and the black southerners, wanted no part of this system, but it actually didn't serve the white farmers either. It served a really small, less than 1% group of American enslavers in the American South. And you look at that and you think that wasn't the technologies fault. That was the fault of the people who um who set up the political system that enabled it to work that way."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJxQbfbpf7M&t=28m18s

Re: Ben Bernanke Joins Anthropic Oversight Trust

#63
post #30

Just in case Anthropic are looking for some more members that are a good cultural fit I found this list: > Genie Energy's Strategic advisory board is composed of: Dick Cheney since 2009 (former vice president of the United States),[3] Rupert Murdoch (media mogul and chairman of News Corp), James Woolsey (former CIA director), Larry Summers (former head of the US Treasury), Michael Steinhardt, Jacob Rothschild,[4][5]…

Big fan of Larry Summers here. He seems to be part of everything, Harvard, Epstein, etc.

Re: Ben Bernanke Joins Anthropic Oversight Trust

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8 months ago I asked this question, I will ask again: Where are your browsers? Where are your compilers? Where are your databases? Where are your operating systems? Can you point me to literally anything useful that works and was created by this world changing technology? All I see is dead project after dead project.

If you take them at their word, the people working on the current browsers, compilers and databases are all using it Google self reports 70% ai usage in code, bun was fully ai rewritten to be rust

Let’s not forget we are talking about a world changing technology here. So when you tell me “some people working on some projects are using it”, I’ll pretend you didn’t say “all” because that’s untrue, you haven’t asked all of them, and the company that got bought out by Anthropic did their “rewrite-in-rust” meme, do you think it’s unreasonable to incredulous?

Re: Ben Bernanke Joins Anthropic Oversight Trust

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Bjarne Stroustrup is 75 years old. I don't think that age per se tells us much.

What's Stroustrup up to these days though?

https://www.engineering.columbia.edu/faculty-staff/directory...

Re: Ben Bernanke Joins Anthropic Oversight Trust

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you take them at their word, the people working on the current browsers, compilers and databases are all using it Google self reports 70% ai usage in code, bun was fully ai rewritten to be rust

Let’s not forget we are talking about a world changing technology here. So when you tell me “some people working on some projects are using it”, I’ll pretend you didn’t say “all” because that’s untrue, you haven’t asked all of them, and the company that got bought out by Anthropic did their “rewrite-in-rust” meme, do you think it’s unreasonable to incredulous?

Now the goalpost is “all” of code?

I don’t think anything I say is likely to change your mind. You might need to get through this valley of depression by yourself in a few years and join the rest of devs using ai

Re: Ben Bernanke Joins Anthropic Oversight Trust

#68

so the architect of government bailout gets a cushy gig. probably one of the most harmful precedents set and now companies expect bailouts. to bailout the company instead of people and small shareholders was always poor decision, emboldened the worst of the business class. don’t love this hire lol

So does this appointment signpost a likely industry-wide token squeeze requiring Benanke’s specific domain knowledge to navigate?

Re: Ben Bernanke Joins Anthropic Oversight Trust

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post #4

This feels like Theranos loading up their board with big names.

Except Anthropic has delivered a truly world changing product…

No, that would be OpenAI (or Google if you want to talk technicals). Anthropic's strategy was just let RL on coding and jack up the price. I can only assume their real strategy is to speedrun getting the whole industry turned into a utility.

Re: Ben Bernanke Joins Anthropic Oversight Trust

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The funny thing is it’s so transparent. Like… is that the point? They want us to know how dodgy they are, kind of as a “** you”? Often the point of propaganda is not to convince, it’s to demoralise. On the other hand I could also believe that they live in such a bubble they genuinely don’t understand how it comes across. Add in a non-negligible amount of neurodivergence and maybe that’s the simplest explanation

> On the other hand I could also believe that they live in such a bubble they genuinely don’t understand how it comes across Yes, at least until ~6 months ago that was my reading too. I felt they were part of the EA/less wrong crowd. Earnest, convinced they were smarter than everyone else, paternalistic, massively lacking in real wisdom. Now, I think maybe they're still struggling with that but they've had a real tas…

Yes I fear you’re right, power is addictive to most people, once they have a taste they want more.

Likewise loss of power is traumatic, picture the barely conscious 90 year old senator getting wheeled into congress to vote or something or other. Few ever give up power willingly even if they’re just a small node in a bigger system and not even really in control

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