It's so sad that Rust vs Zig has been dragged into the AI psychosis vs anti AI narratives. I feel people are taking sides or picking and choosing now based on their allegiance and religious values. What good comes out of this?
Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig
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Re: Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig
#92> I don’t like the Rust culture. There’s no better way to put it. This is just so weird to me, because I would say the same about Zig. I tried to get into Zig even chatted with Loris Cro when he was streaming. I was looking to explore what my Rust project could look like in Zig but there were features simply missing that I couldn't do without. The entire interaction was mostly about how bad Rust is and how I could ju…
I feel this way about most Hashi tools, they just seem massively overrated to me. Ghostty is fine I guess, I find it to be way buggier than iterm with a fraction of the features. Zig is fine, has some cool stuff, the community seems roughly the same as the rust, with again just way less features. The rest of the hashi tools are fine, I don’t really use any of them anymore. Vault was a big deal at some point I guess
What features from iterm do you miss? I’ve found ghostty to be more performant and aesthetically pleasing and haven’t missed anything
Re: Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig
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> You just got a tiny taste of what Rust enthusiasts have been doing to every C++ related submission Which is what C++ enthusiasts have done to C enthusiasts and C enthusiasts have done to assembly enthusiasts.
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Rust is one of the safer languages, but saying that it is "the safest language" is just a baseless exaggeration.
Decades before Rust and long before the simplified language that was C, there were safe programming languages, where all invalid operations, numeric overflows or out-of-bounds accesses generated exceptions and where use-after-free was impossible, because either garbage collectors or reference counts were used.
Rust is much safer than C compiled with its bad default compilation options, but it did not bring much in comparison with other languages.
Even in C++, with appropriate rules, restrictions and discipline you can write programs that are guaranteed to be at least as safe as any Rust program, but unfortunately very few use C++ in this way, i.e. by strictly avoiding the features that are obsolete or unsafe.
Re: Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig
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Re: Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Rust is one of the safer languages, but saying that it is "the safest language" is just a baseless exaggeration. Decades before Rust and long before the simplified language that was C, there were safe programming languages, where all invalid operations, numeric overflows or out-of-bounds accesses generated exceptions and where use-after-free was impossible, because either garbage collectors or reference counts were u…
I am not a huge Rust fan but the language did bring a few practical and useful innovations, while also keeping a focus on practice.
And no, C++ just doesn't make the same things easy or clean.
And no, "discipline and appropriate rules" were never enough.
Re: Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You just got a tiny taste of what Rust enthusiasts have been doing to every C++ related submission Which is what C++ enthusiasts have done to C enthusiasts and C enthusiasts have done to assembly enthusiasts.
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I tried that, but the Rust build process was too painful, and agents seemed to burn a lot of tokens guessing how to get the code to compile. I rewrote my project in Elixir and it’s been going much more smoothly
Re: Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig
#97> I don’t like the Rust culture. There’s no better way to put it. This is just so weird to me, because I would say the same about Zig. I tried to get into Zig even chatted with Loris Cro when he was streaming. I was looking to explore what my Rust project could look like in Zig but there were features simply missing that I couldn't do without. The entire interaction was mostly about how bad Rust is and how I could ju…
I feel this way about most Hashi tools, they just seem massively overrated to me. Ghostty is fine I guess, I find it to be way buggier than iterm with a fraction of the features. Zig is fine, has some cool stuff, the community seems roughly the same as the rust, with again just way less features. The rest of the hashi tools are fine, I don’t really use any of them anymore. Vault was a big deal at some point I guess
I have discovered Ghostty only this year, and I have switched to it a few months ago.
For decades, I have used a great number of video terminal emulators. I have used for long time intervals at least 8 or 9 video terminal emulators, from the original xterm until the one used immediately before ghostty, which was kitty (and including Konsole, the Gnome terminal, the XFCE terminal, WezTerm and others).
I consider Ghostty the best video terminal emulator that I have used. For now, I have not encountered any noticeable bug yet, even if I spend a lot of time using it.
Nor have I encountered any feature that I really miss (though a few things that worked in other emulators, do not work, at least not with the default configuration, e.g. setting the title of a tab window with the standard escape sequence of characters; but the ghostty titles are fine, i.e. the pwd value while in shell and the invoked command otherwise).
I do not doubt that there may exist some bugs or missing features, but it seems unlikely that they can be seen during typical workflows. I have used it only in Linux, so I do not know anything about bugs under macOS.
Re: Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig
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The entire concept of publicity as a competition is baffling to me. Who gives a shit?
More Rust users = more Rust libraries = more Rust jobs = more places to do what you enjoy and get paid for it.
By that definition, Javascript is by far the bestest language in the world ;)
Re: Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig
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> This is just so weird to me, because I would say the same about Zig. Then why is it weird if you're saying the same thing? Different programming languages appeal to programmers with different tastes, and so it makes sense that some programmers would be drawn to language X and dislike language Y, while others would be the opposite.
The year is 2026 and the only thing about coding that matters anymore is taste. Edit: Thought about scare quoting “taste”
Different tastes are aguable the only reason why different programming languages exist. They're all Turing complete after all.
Re: Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig
#100> I don’t like the Rust culture. There’s no better way to put it. This is just so weird to me, because I would say the same about Zig. I tried to get into Zig even chatted with Loris Cro when he was streaming. I was looking to explore what my Rust project could look like in Zig but there were features simply missing that I couldn't do without. The entire interaction was mostly about how bad Rust is and how I could ju…
I feel this way about most Hashi tools, they just seem massively overrated to me. Ghostty is fine I guess, I find it to be way buggier than iterm with a fraction of the features. Zig is fine, has some cool stuff, the community seems roughly the same as the rust, with again just way less features. The rest of the hashi tools are fine, I don’t really use any of them anymore. Vault was a big deal at some point I guess
> I find it to be way buggier than iterm with a fraction of the features.
Hmm... I'm using ghostty (on macOS) since it was released and have yet to encounter a single bug. Iterm2 simply got too fat and slow over time, which was the point where I went terminal-shopping (first wezterm, which is also fine, now sticking with ghostty).