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Re: GPT‑Live

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So I'm clear: as long as our jobs don't devolve to 100 hours a week in a sweat shop or tilling the earth for the lord of our fiefdom, we should just sit back and be happy? Is that what I should take away from your comment?

I don't have a strong opinion either way but it seems unlikely that this was the takeaway

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Every time something along these lines is posted, comments like this show up. The thing I don't get is...no one would say this about listening to a podcast or audiobook on a walk. I'm not sure why people choose to demonize this specific use of time during walks.

It's coming from a place of objecting to burnout/overwork culture. Recently I witnessed a CTO mention in a public channel that with Claude remote control people can now work while getting a coffee or other breaks during the day. Tech is actively moving in a direction of destroying all the gains from the labour movement in service of enriching capital out of a combination of FOMO or fear of being replaced. So yeah, wh…

>It's coming from a place of objecting to burnout/overwork culture.

Sure, but that's not everyone. I want this because it's hard to carve out time for my fun side projects. :)

Also, not everyone feels burnt out or overworked, and may find their actual work enjoyable. I've definitely had many showers where I've been thinking about interesting work problems and never felt particularly burdened by it (quite the opposite, in fact).

Re: GPT‑Live

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Counter-point: I love that my rubber duck can talk (quack?) back, as well as record and summarize my thoughts on topics I'm working or stuck on. I've wanted a good voice mode for precisely this reason. When I take my dog on a walk and I'm thinking about a bunch of problems/ideas, I'd love to have feedback and a record, or perhaps to even kick off research or ask questions to fill in gaps that would otherwise have me…

You want to be a child forever, amazed by your toys or the new things you can do. The toys won't let you grow up and become a normal human. You don't need take a dog for a walk, if you live in a normal place that allows dogs to roam freely. And you don't need to think about a "bunch of problems/ideas". Your mind is a servant of your body. And your body never asked you for that.

>You want to be a child forever, amazed by your toys or the new things you can do.

I don't think having a child-like sense of wonder at the world, or continued human ingenuity, is a sign that one wants to be a child forever.

I'm genuinely sorry if you've lost that spark.

>You don't need take a dog for a walk, if you live in a normal place that allows dogs to roam freely.

I love my dog and love walking him, even though he can freely roam on my property. I also love walking with my wife, and I don't think her agency has much reason for why I might enjoy it?

>Your mind is a servant of your body. And your body never asked you for that.

...are you okay, friend?

Re: GPT‑Live

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The human-ness is not about outcomes only. It is about doing things, thinking, achieving, socializing, sharing, bonding, feeling happy about what you did, using senses for what they evolved fir, recognizing and responding to body signals and being a biological creature. A lot of these is affected by AI.

None of those are affected by AI. You can CHOOSE to let AI think for you or achieve for you, but you dont have to. You only HAVE to in a work context (for some people), which I admit sucks (or is great depending on who you are). This feels like a touch grass moment.

The auto companies said the same - you don't HAVe to drive a car. But then cities were designed for cars, with far-flung work places. Now you HAVE to drive to work. Same with AI. Your world will be woven around AI, giving you no option.

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post #544

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None of those are affected by AI. You can CHOOSE to let AI think for you or achieve for you, but you dont have to. You only HAVE to in a work context (for some people), which I admit sucks (or is great depending on who you are). This feels like a touch grass moment.

The auto companies said the same - you don't HAVe to drive a car. But then cities were designed for cars, with far-flung work places. Now you HAVE to drive to work. Same with AI. Your world will be woven around AI, giving you no option.

I think we agree that in terms of work, AI changes a lot, and that's a big deal and disrupting to a lot of people's livelihoods.

But when I am with friends, out for a mtn bike ride or playing golf, we are just hanging out like we did 20 years ago. I dont see any cars and I am sure there are tons of AI apps for both sports that would make me "better" but I really don't care. I don't do it for the outcome.

The bonding, happiness, sharing, laughing, are all there just like it always has been and always will be.

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#546

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"starving artist" is not a new concept AI doesn't stop creative people from creating. it gives creative people an additional tool with which to create

This is repeatedly the argument rolled out by people desperate to get us to accept it at all costs. Ai doesn’t technically stop me writing code. But it’s sucked so much joy and interest out of it, that I can’t scrape together the motivation to work on side projects anymore. It has a “chilling effect” the effects of which are notoriously indirect to observe.

why does me using AI affect your motivation at all?

Re: GPT‑Live

#547

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> I think this tech is far more important for lonely people who for any reason don't get to socialize much (if at all), this is especially common in older people. Uhm, those lonely people need to get out and start talking. How is this going to help society? This is going to make it worse. Oh that kid is kinda quite and sad? Throw him an iPad. Oh that adult is kinda bored and wandering aimlessly? Throw him into a casi…

What about people with disabilities, physical or mental, who can't get out, old people with no family or family who doesn't care? In theory it would be great if everyone got some attention and socialized, in reality a lot of people in society are forgotten, no one wants to talk to them. For some of these people even talking to a robot would likely be a huge improvement in quality of life, and that's just talking. If…

Who’s paying for this? Nice sentiment, but last I checked prices weren’t coming down, and we’re talking about a cohort that doesn’t generally have a ton of extra cash.

Re: GPT‑Live

#548

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None of the things I'm talking to ChatGPT about are replacing human conversations. It's replacing having to type a question into Google on my phone. But you do bring up a good point with old people with no one to talk to. This technology would be a god send for them. And if you think otherwise I hope your next words are that you routinely visit nursing homes and talk with old people.

Um, your argument is unless I'm directly involved with something I'm not allowed to critique it? Here's a real story that's very much more likely story than your "godsend": https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/meta-ai-... I don't think giving old people AI psychosis is anything other than inhumane.

Grade A FUD.

Re: GPT‑Live

#549
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I for one am greatly looking forward to the day these kind of voice models can be run locally. It seems like the gap between open-weight and frontier is way larger for voice models than coding/language models.

Probably not _as_ good, but you can run gemma 4 for the ears/brain (accepts audio input), and kokoro TTS for the mouth. You want something like silero VAD sitting in front of the LLM so you aren't passing wasteful audio to gemma 4, so you send only voice activity segments. I type all this because I tried it out recently as a Zork experience, seeing how creative Gemma 4 12B could be. It was surprisingly good!

Yeah, I mostly mean for the TTS, which in my testing is flat and has no emotional register, or no nuanced variation. OpenAI speech in my experience is very good at things like communicating understanding or questions non-verbally using intonation, and I'm yet to see a local TTS model that will do contextual intonation well at all.
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