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Re: I Changed My Name

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The general complexity of name changes will never cease to intrigue me.

Seems about as complex as time zones - that is to say, it requires far more thought than any of us realistically put in.

Apparently the Japanese just… chose family names at some point in the late 1800s. They all had to, basically overnight as far as these things are considered.

Re: I Changed My Name

#42
post #3

I'm obliged to mention Falsehoods Programmer Believe About Names: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-... . As someone who also has two family names, I always dread questions for my "last name". What's also fun are alphabet differences. Try to interact with the Greek government and they might ask you to spell your name using only their characters. An interesting challenge when your name contai…

I find this follow on article really helpful: https://shinesolutions.com/2018/01/08/falsehoods-programmers...

It contains concrete examples of each of the ideas listed in the first article.

Re: I Changed My Name

#43

I've always wondered about a woman, Mary Jones, marrying Tom Smith and deciding to hyphenate her last name with Mary Jones-Smith. But then she has a daughter Sally Jones-Smith who meets and marries John Alexander-Wabasha and wants to hyphenate her name as Sally Jones-Smith-Alexander-Wabasha. Then she has kids that marry.

I knew two hyphenates who got married. They picked one non-hyphenated last name.

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#45
post #32

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A Russian friend living in Japan noted that, at least as of a decade ago, a decent number of government services (for citizens) allowed something like 6 characters max for the entire name. This is because Japanese names are normally written compactly in Kanji, but it becomes a problem when your name is 15 Katakana or 25 Latin characters long.

Even something as simple as buying a movie ticket can require submitting a name using only Japanese characters.

It has always been ridiculous, but getting more and more since everything much match each other perfectly. MyNumber, bank, credit card, residence card and passport... There are a few services I outright can't use because my name doesn't fit in their system, and this is after weeks of phone calls with real people. (Note, it's Rakuten iDeco I'm talking about here)

Re: I Changed My Name

#46
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post #22

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Yes. Having 4 names are quite common in Portugal, specially in certain areas. The names are usually structured like this: G1 G2 FM FF G1 and G2 are given names. Usually 2 "first names" that you see in english, but there's common combos and sometimes there's a word joining them. Examples: "Maria Jesus" vs "Maria de Jesus". Some names are more common to be put first, but almost every name can be put in any order, examp…

So what happens when father's or mother's last name is already in FF FM form?

FF is your "first last name" and FM is your "second last name".

FF is your father first last name (his FF).

And FM is your mothers first last name (hers FF).

The FF FM order was how it used to be (at least in Chile). Now, when the first kid of a given couple is born, that couple choose the order (FF FM or FM FF). In any case, is always the first last name of the parents, and the chosen order must be used for all kids in common between them.

Re: I Changed My Name

#47
When we named our daughter, we decided to ensure that she’d have a simple FirstName LastName with no middle name. My wife’s middle name is frequently stapled onto her first and it causes no end of pain.

There is some affordance available for representing various family members: her Chinese name can easily have different characters for them that have nothing to do with her actual name.

Re: I Changed My Name

#48
post #3

I'm obliged to mention Falsehoods Programmer Believe About Names: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-... . As someone who also has two family names, I always dread questions for my "last name". What's also fun are alphabet differences. Try to interact with the Greek government and they might ask you to spell your name using only their characters. An interesting challenge when your name contai…

A Russian friend living in Japan noted that, at least as of a decade ago, a decent number of government services (for citizens) allowed something like 6 characters max for the entire name. This is because Japanese names are normally written compactly in Kanji, but it becomes a problem when your name is 15 Katakana or 25 Latin characters long.

This also usually applies to bank accounts, they have a character limit of around 16 characters for the whole name in most banks.

Of course it's not explicited in most places as 16 chars for a standard Japanese name is an exception, and some applications will silently cut when sending to their backend.

It's as fun as you can imagine it to be.

Re: I Changed My Name

#49
post #3

I'm obliged to mention Falsehoods Programmer Believe About Names: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-... . As someone who also has two family names, I always dread questions for my "last name". What's also fun are alphabet differences. Try to interact with the Greek government and they might ask you to spell your name using only their characters. An interesting challenge when your name contai…

I find this follow on article really helpful: https://shinesolutions.com/2018/01/08/falsehoods-programmers... It contains concrete examples of each of the ideas listed in the first article.

The author there reads the point "Two different data entry operators, given a person’s name, will by necessity enter bitwise equivalent strings on any single system, if the system is well-designed" by thinking in terms of erroneous spelling, but also relevant is encoding issues such as lookalike characters.

Peter Biľak gives a story on bumping into this for the accent in his name. https://www.typotheque.com/articles/lcaron

Re: I Changed My Name

#50
post #8
post #3

I'm obliged to mention Falsehoods Programmer Believe About Names: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-... . As someone who also has two family names, I always dread questions for my "last name". What's also fun are alphabet differences. Try to interact with the Greek government and they might ask you to spell your name using only their characters. An interesting challenge when your name contai…

One falsehood I just ran into myself when booking a parking spot at the airport: "all parts of a name start with a capital letter". This isn't true for Dutch names with "van de", "van der" etc, which this site "corrected" to start with capitals. So silly to have a system "correct" my own name and get it wrong.

This happens to Irish/Scottish names too, such as McDonald, Mc being 'son of' in Gaelic language; the capital letter after Mc is wrongly changed to a lowercase letter.

Another very frustrating issue I run into, is hyphens not being allowed. My firstname and surname both have hyphens, and they are very common even in English based names.

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