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What they did to ChatGPT.app is incredible. It was a truly useful app, but the replacement is brain damaged in terms of UI/UX beyond repair. Incredible, really.
And as of now Google hasn't fuxx0red up Gemini yet.
I just installed this. I am very confused. I no longer have a Codex app on my computer. ChatGPT is now Codex. But what happened to ChatGPT? Where am I supposed to casually chat? Also, when you toggle btween ChatGPT Work and ChatGPT Codex, nothing changes. This is super confusing. Can someone from the OpenAI team clarify the difference btwn the modes? Does chatgpt work have more business-y related plugins turned on by…
1) If you have the Codex desktop app installed, and you update from within the app, it replaces itself with the new chat-demoted-to-an-overlay app called "ChatGPT" and renames your existing ChatGPT app to "ChatGPT Classic."
2) If you get the new ChatGPT app and replace your current app with it, you don't get a "Classic" app and there's no way to download it.
3) They really named an app "Classic." Naming your app Classic is putting a bright red sign on it that says "this app will be abandoned soon." They might as well have called it "ChatGPT Sunset."
If this is all true, that is certainly...one way to do product management.
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Sad, I liked that ChatGPT had a native app on macOS. I don’t understand why OpenAI and Anthropic have to rely on vending universal apps when their whole MO is code being dirt cheap.
AppKit and SwiftUI and WinUI are all meh for rendering lots of text. Chromium is quite good at it. Plus they have lots of embedded web content these days and managing webviews is a relative pain vs it all being one webview
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The capabilities were launched months ago. This is just retiring the ChatGPT app and replacing it with Codex for the masses edit reply because rate-limited: They were exposed via the Codex desktop app and controllable via the iOS app.
The capabilities are useless if you don't expose them, and a cli or api doesn't. You'll mention their marketing page keeps talking about finance, sales, management etc...
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Edit: I just got the update – the new ChatGPT.app is 1.46 GB
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AppKit and SwiftUI and WinUI are all meh for rendering lots of text. Chromium is quite good at it. Plus they have lots of embedded web content these days and managing webviews is a relative pain vs it all being one webview
Why is a browser tool better at rendering text than native?
Anthropic did it right from the beginning by unifying everything in the same application. From my perspective, Codex is much better than any other app, but for non-technical users they were still stuck in ChatGPT only, and "nobody" knew about Codex. Anthropic also did it better by putting everything under the "Claude" brand: Claude Code, Claude Cowork, etc. Compared to ChatGPT vs Codex. OpenAI seems to be trying to revert that unwanted split.
With that said, I share the sentiment that it's 100% unclear what's the difference between Codex and Work. Chats now are a second-class citizen of the app. Although the "Attach to task" feature of chats looks useful. Putting "Chats" below the "Tasks" section would have been much better.
This may end up badly. Most people use ChatGPT just for regular chats, and they are not used to "agentic" interactions. It may take people time to adapt, and you can definitely lose users during that transition.
This also seems to have indirect implications regarding pricing. Codex (and Work) consume credits. Chats were also limited before, but you could mostly use ChatGPT without thinking about it. Now people will inevitably use Codex/Work more, simply because that's what the UI shows them, thus consuming credits. This will force you to keep an eye on credits a lot more.
Others have mentioned that the old ChatGPT can't be installed any more. Only if you had it installed before, it now became ChatGPT Classic. However, you can still add the chatgpt.com page as a Web App. You'll need an internet connection to use it, but the old ChatGPT app wasn't working properly without internet anyway... so the overall experience may not be that different. I'd even say that, to me, the web UI has always felt more polished than the native app.