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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's a metaphor for a process. Calling people names like "maxxers" is unhelpful and probably against the rules here. Yeah we don't mean frogs, that's obvious. Calling people maxxers being offensive is surprising. Maybe you should consider offended for being called cancer instead?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation The truth is not always somewhere in the middle. If one group wants to serve water and another wants to serve cyanide, the right answer is not to mix the two, it's to serve water and to end the careers of the people who wanted to serve cyanide.

I am not arguing for a middle ground, I argue for addressing the issues directly instead of being maximalist in any way.

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post #211

This, and other similar legislation, serve as a constant reminder of why the American founding fathers had to revolt against tyranny, and why constitution amendments like the 1st and 4th exist. The 4th in particular was written as a response to a British law similar to Chat Control (writs of assistance).

Sadly doesn't seem to make much difference, though. If anything the UK is less authoritarian than the US now.

It's hard to compare US and EU internet freedom because a person usually spends most of their life in one place and is clueless about the life in other.

I've never lived in US, were there any cases of ISPs blocking websites in USA? Even DNS-level blocking counts

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post #197

I mean, even the victims themselves came out and explicitly emphasized that scanning chat messages does not help. I'm feeling these politicians was not doing it for the victims. Instead, it's almost like the victims are providing reasons to allow the politicians to expand their own power. The Accelerationism (see note below) part of me think it's a good thing, because a heavily regulated country is often also a backw…

That's cool and all but looks like we are running out of good countries

And if they all have censorship, they are not failing (when comparing them to each other)

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post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a US data pump, and the EU is a bunch of vassal states. That's the hurry, shutting down the data flow because the permissive legislation runs out is not allowed.

I think that's a little naive. This sort of legislation is much more useful in terms of managing the local population and what they are allowed to talk about than it is in terms of profit—except, I suppose, in the sense that holding companies liable for what is said with their software is unprofitable.

I didn't mention profit.

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post #38

This is a nice piece of democracy right here: "a measure it had rejected twice in March. Although a majority of voting Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) actually opposed the regulation (314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions), the motion to reject it failed to secure the required absolute majority of 361 votes. As a result, mass scanning is now permitted again until 2028." "Oh no we can't get a majority to…

Democracy is when you just try and try again and again until it passes with 51/49. Then its democratic and legitimized and only evil terrorists would oppose those laws we have all democratically agreed upon. Also, see the case of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCseyin_Do%C4%9Fru - if you aren't liked by the EU courts, they just accuse you of "collusion with Russia" and ban your bank account via "sanction policies…

Except in this case it actually passed 49/51.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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The defence against this is widespread truly peer to peer messaging services, where there is no company at the middle to tell you add backdoors. Who is working on that? I suspect the main challenge is not technical, but human - persuading users to switch messenger apps is almost impossible.

I genuinely wondered the other day how long before we see some country try to regulate the new self-hosted radio mesh messaging solutions like Meshtastic etc. Eventually some crime group somewhere is going to be busted using a homebrew encrypted radio system for messaging - they are so plentiful and easy to build with dirt cheap ESP32s etc, and it's so easy to deploy repeaters to extend range.

> https://meshtastic.org/

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