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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by tsimionescu »

thisOtterBeGood wrote: post #154
dmichulke wrote: post #100

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Found this, source: https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ On 7 July, MEPs voted 331–303 to fast-track the return of Chat Control 1.0 mass scanning. A binding vote follows Thursday, 9 July, where an absolute majority of 361 MEPs is needed to stop it. Take action now to demand they defend your private messages. "Yes" means stop control, because it's a "proposition de rejet" we're looking at. rejet = reject. Parties in favor of…

The selection of countries seems so random. The poorer countries seem to be in favor, no judgment there... It looks like a pay-off list, though.

I don't know about the other countries, but in Romania most politicians are aligned with our secret service (quite a few even in the upper echelons are literally undercover agents - which sounds like a conspiracy theory but is well documented in some cases), so they are quite naturally aligned with this initiative.

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Post by graemep »

netsharc wrote: post #5
miroljub wrote: post #2

And so, step by step, in the name of child protection and similar excuses, we lose liberties and rights one by one. Welcome to the Brave New 1984 We World. Big Brother loves us. We are living through the time best described by Zamyatin, Orwell, and Huxley.

Man, the EU is supposed to be the beacon of liberal democracy (after the light of Reagan's shining city on the hill is now truly extinguishing), but with shit like this, it's really making enemies left and right (metaphorically and spectrally).

The EU exists mostly to promote economic liberalism and free trade.

It started out as a purely trade arrangement, then evolved to become a broader union.

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Post by akimbostrawman »

aw124 wrote: post #254

Instead of solving real problems, the EU Parliament supports the globalists' agenda for privacy and human rights violations — our fundamental rights

>EU Parliament supports the globalists' agenda

word. thats the entire point of the existence of the EU

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Post by graemep »

wolvoleo wrote: post #133
onemoresoop wrote: post #115

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EU is doing some concerning moves but, looking at your points, Russia attacked Ukraine. EU is not at war with Russia, only supporting Ukraine. Second, the relationship with US is deteriorating due to Trump. As a matter of fact all US relationships are deteriorating for the same reason. Where have you been the past years? Im not going to bother to respond to the following points because you mix some reality with propa…

Yeah US is threatening to invade and take over Canada, Greenland, I mean no wonder the alliance is no longer strong right? And the internal struggles are indeed a problem, this is due to the extreme right which has completely taken over America (and is sponsored by Russia). It was good to see the Hungarians came to their senses but it's worrying that the EU doesn't have a mechanism to expel countries. The problem is…

There is a considerable history of the US wanting Greenland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_United_States_acquisi...

> The problem is who do we ally with that we can trust now.

"We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow." ― Lord Palmerston

There are lots of possible allies, but no one single ally to depend on. India to counter balance China, Canada to have an ally in North America, etc.

> it's worrying that the EU doesn't have a mechanism to expel countries.

Or it can become a federal state.

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Post by rangestransform »

wolvoleo wrote: post #252
bluescrn wrote: post #214

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> The left wing parties just wish to honour existing international treaties which we have signed to allow genuine asylum seekers. But these are treaties are no longer fit for purpose, as can be seen by the boatloads of mostly young male economic migrants turning up in the UK to 'claim asylum'. People who've got thousands of euros to pay the small boats traffickers. If they were refugees fleeing war or other dangers,…

Well, don't forget some of these wars are caused by us. The Western countries invaded Iraq under false pretenses so Dubya could make his Halliburton buddies happy. As a result and pure neglect to form a legit democratic government after the war a power vacuum ensued which caused the rise of ISIS which contributed to the war in Syria. Which directly caused the mass migration on foot from Syria. In this way we do have…

Moral responsibility is not real responsibility that can be enforced at the point of a gun by anyone or any nation, and so this responsibility does not have to be assumed

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Post by akimbostrawman »

inferniac wrote: post #121
nick486 wrote: post #82

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I'm really surprised at the hurry. The EU, and many EU governments, have been ramming through deeply unpopular legislation at a breakneck pace for no apparent reason, lately. It feels like the last turn in a board game where everyone is busy taking points with no regard for the impact of the decisions on the theoretical next turn - because there is no next turn. Its really weird. > blame-laundering mechanism Also, I'…

>for no apparent reason, lately. for some godforsaken reason left-lib parties in europe think accepting infinity migrants forever is the most important thing to do this is becoming more and more unpopular with the voters, leading to right wing parties surging across europe (Denmark, which has an immigration restrictionist left wing government doesnt seem to have an issue here, true mystery) obviously the solution her…

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Post by JoshTriplett »

mrtksn wrote: post #194
hnhg wrote: post #179

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It's a metaphor for a process. Calling people names like "maxxers" is unhelpful and probably against the rules here.

>It's a metaphor for a process. Calling people names like "maxxers" is unhelpful and probably against the rules here. Yeah we don't mean frogs, that's obvious. Calling people maxxers being offensive is surprising. Maybe you should consider offended for being called cancer instead?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

The truth is not always somewhere in the middle. If one group wants to serve water and another wants to serve cyanide, the right answer is not to mix the two, it's to serve water and to end the careers of the people who wanted to serve cyanide.

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Post by [deleted] »

rangestransform wrote: post #315
wolvoleo wrote: post #252

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Well, don't forget some of these wars are caused by us. The Western countries invaded Iraq under false pretenses so Dubya could make his Halliburton buddies happy. As a result and pure neglect to form a legit democratic government after the war a power vacuum ensued which caused the rise of ISIS which contributed to the war in Syria. Which directly caused the mass migration on foot from Syria. In this way we do have…

Moral responsibility is not real responsibility that can be enforced at the point of a gun by anyone or any nation, and so this responsibility does not have to be assumed

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Post by akimbostrawman »

sunshowers wrote: post #248
yolo3000 wrote: post #165

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Numbers are going down, but in my area there are now 4 buildings with asylum seekers. Started with a hotel, then an office building, then some newly built expensive houses that were first up for rent and now rented for asylum seekers, and now another office building. Honoring existing treaties out of principle can also be put on hold when the situation changes.

From what I can tell, a big part of the problem in Europe is that people seeking asylum are prohibited from making a living (due to widespread belief in the lump of labor fallacy) and so have to be dependent on welfare.

>asylum are prohibited from making a living

This is exactly how we got here. We allowed them to work to make temporary asylum permanent migration.

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