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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by Thraway198 » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:59 PM UTC

modo_mario wrote: post #238

Thraway198 wrote: post #180

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I agree that it's justified. SOME immigration is needed in order to save "duh economy," but what we got instead was economic warfare against workers.

It's not even that some migration is need to save the economy. You'd need pronatalist policies or you're going to be doing that "some immigration" for ever and ever.

Hm well then perhaps it's time to focus on saving "people," over the economy. Perhaps...states are actually best used to serve their people, instead of endless growth.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by throwaway27448 » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 4:00 PM UTC

bluescrn wrote: post #203

attila-lendvai wrote: post #129

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for no apparent rason? the way they are preparing to bring the population into a war hardly can be any more apparent...

War requires industry. But we've deindustrialised and outsourced the manufacture of almost everything to China.

Gee maybe they should prepare to avoid war then

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Post by throwaway27448 » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 4:02 PM UTC

eagleal wrote: post #220

dismalaf wrote: post #158

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War is less imminent now than ever. Ukraine has caused a ton of damage to Russia and at this point the Kremlin has more to worry about than EU countries (pretty much every Russian government ever is brought down from within). No, leftist governments in the EU have failed to provide prosperity and failed in all their promises, now they're going for total control to try to stay in power. Look at France, as soon as Le P…

> War is less imminent now than ever You can always make your enemy. Current rearming efforts really remind historians of WW1 arm races. At some point once so much interests and offers are at stake, that creating the demand is inevitable and just a matter of time.

It's true. Rearming and mobilizing troops will cause a reciprocal reaction in your neighbors. Whether or not war is or was imminent is irrelevant; europe will manifest it regardless.

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Post by throwaway27448 » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 4:04 PM UTC

cess11 wrote: post #164

nick486 wrote: post #82

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I'm really surprised at the hurry. The EU, and many EU governments, have been ramming through deeply unpopular legislation at a breakneck pace for no apparent reason, lately. It feels like the last turn in a board game where everyone is busy taking points with no regard for the impact of the decisions on the theoretical next turn - because there is no next turn. Its really weird. > blame-laundering mechanism Also, I'…

It's a US data pump, and the EU is a bunch of vassal states. That's the hurry, shutting down the data flow because the permissive legislation runs out is not allowed.

I think that's a little naive. This sort of legislation is much more useful in terms of managing the local population and what they are allowed to talk about than it is in terms of profit—except, I suppose, in the sense that holding companies liable for what is said with their software is unprofitable.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by Fredkin » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 4:04 PM UTC

Micrococonut wrote: post #174

Fredkin wrote: post #147

Maybe a dumb question, but what's to stop people from communicating e2e encrypted over totally insecure channels using steganography techniques? You don't need a special app to do this, or maybe you just need a companion app that you type your message into and it gives you the thing you just paste into whatever messaging app / social media you use. The steganography makes it hard for the operator to determine that yo…

Well when it comes to ending encrypted traffic, I would assume if they can’t read your traffic you will be in violation and the police will show up at your door to kindly imprison you for a few years

If they can't distinguish traffic containing hidden encrypted messages from humdrum non-encrypted traffic then they'd have to ban the whole thing for everyone.

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Post by ben_w » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 4:05 PM UTC

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #232

ben_w wrote: post #30

(Based on https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/07/07/eu-to-extend-t... and https://www.euractiv.com/news/how-the-epp-pushed-the-chat-sc... as well as the stuff in the link). Here's a quote from the article itself, which works for both pro and con arguments: "What is still NOT being scanned: End-to-end encrypted chats, such as those on WhatsApp, have always been exempt from these scans. Additionally, European provi…

Real time notifications here would solve a lot of issues... Imagine Alice, an 18, 19yo girl, having a boyfriend, Bob, and since Bob is on a student exchange, she decides to send him a boob photo. Since alice is skinny, her boobs are on the smaller side. Now imagine Alice hitting 'Send', and getting an automated message from whatever CSAM AI bot: "Your message has not been sent, the system detected the breasts in the…

I think you're probably wildly overoptimistic about the ratio of police officers to private nudes.

No government really wants to be fully enforcing all their own laws, just because it's way too expensive to hire that many cops. I think the closest anyone got was the Stasi, and they had a lot of "volunteers": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unofficial_collaborator#Other_...

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by dismalaf » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 4:08 PM UTC

pohuing wrote: post #224

dismalaf wrote: post #158

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War is less imminent now than ever. Ukraine has caused a ton of damage to Russia and at this point the Kremlin has more to worry about than EU countries (pretty much every Russian government ever is brought down from within). No, leftist governments in the EU have failed to provide prosperity and failed in all their promises, now they're going for total control to try to stay in power. Look at France, as soon as Le P…

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"Conservative" parties in the EU are largely left by US standards... Like, Macron is conservative by Euro standards but Le Pen is obviously way further right.

The point is that the actual far right is rising all over Europe and will likely be ascendant in the next round of elections, the establishment is trying to stay in power.

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Post by sunshowers » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 4:09 PM UTC

yolo3000 wrote: post #165

wolvoleo wrote: post #149

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> for some godforsaken reason left-lib parties in europe think accepting infinity migrants forever is the most important thing to do This is completely BS. Nobody wants to let in unlimited migrants. This is not a goal of anyone, including the left-most left. In fact on the left we are very aware that our welfare systems can't support unlimited people. The left wing parties just wish to honour existing international t…

Numbers are going down, but in my area there are now 4 buildings with asylum seekers. Started with a hotel, then an office building, then some newly built expensive houses that were first up for rent and now rented for asylum seekers, and now another office building. Honoring existing treaties out of principle can also be put on hold when the situation changes.

From what I can tell, a big part of the problem in Europe is that people seeking asylum are prohibited from making a living (due to widespread belief in the lump of labor fallacy) and so have to be dependent on welfare.

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Post by joe_mamba » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 4:09 PM UTC

greenavocado wrote: post #218

bluescrn wrote: post #203

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War requires industry. But we've deindustrialised and outsourced the manufacture of almost everything to China.

They will rapidly reindustrialize when the first shots are fired. The EU's goal is the strategic defeat of Russia. What the common people think or want is irrelevant. All environmental and climate legislation that gets in the way will be waivered indefinitely until the war is over 5+ years of drone warfare and 100s of thousands dead.

>They will rapidly reindustrialize when the first shots are fired.

By WHO?! Russia is still stuck in 1/4 of the Ukraine and fear mongers make it sound like they're about to reach Paris any day now.

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Post by redsocksfan45 » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 4:10 PM UTC

dismalaf wrote: post #184

gambiting wrote: post #168

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I don't share this outlook, sadly - given that military figures especially around the Eastern side of EU keep saying military conflict with Russia is "inevitable" in the next 4 years. Of course - they are in the military, their job is specifically to look at the worst case scenarios. But I wouldn't be so sure the risk is not there.

I do think there's the possibility Russia attacks a NATO country in an attempt to save face. I don't think they have the manpower or equipment to sustain an assault that would require any level of mobilization from EU countries.

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