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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by coldtea » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:36 PM UTC

Vinnl wrote: post #96

budududuroiu wrote: post #63

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Afaik, EU rules provide for urgent procedure only for proposals at first reading, while here it was used to compress a second reading vote and skip committee, just perfectly timed for the last sitting before recess. The absolute majority seems to be an anti-paralysis instrument, where the onus is on the Parliament to reject something put in motion by the Council. I think the the asymmetry is that a vote to trigger th…

Thanks. Do you know then why of the majority that voted against today, enough people voted in favour of the urgency procedure?

Saving face before (saying "see, I voted against") then doing what's asked of them by the lobbyists anyway where it's less apparent.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by ajsnigrutin » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:39 PM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #30

(Based on https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/07/07/eu-to-extend-t... and https://www.euractiv.com/news/how-the-epp-pushed-the-chat-sc... as well as the stuff in the link). Here's a quote from the article itself, which works for both pro and con arguments: "What is still NOT being scanned: End-to-end encrypted chats, such as those on WhatsApp, have always been exempt from these scans. Additionally, European provi…

Real time notifications here would solve a lot of issues...

Imagine Alice, an 18, 19yo girl, having a boyfriend, Bob, and since Bob is on a student exchange, she decides to send him a boob photo. Since alice is skinny, her boobs are on the smaller side.

Now imagine Alice hitting 'Send', and getting an automated message from whatever CSAM AI bot:

"Your message has not been sent, the system detected the breasts in the photo to be probably underage, the photo was forwarded to for manual review"

And half an hour later

"Detectives Rob Johnson, John Robson and Bob Bobson from police department XY, have done an extensive manual review of the photo of the breasts and have 2:1 decided that they're probably not underage, so the photo was sent to the intended destination. Than you, your friendly CSAM AI bot!"

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by coldtea » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:39 PM UTC

jltsiren wrote: post #175

logifail wrote: post #155

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All the European Council's negotiations were private. No public hearings, no public votes, not even any public parliamentary debates(!) about different candidates for the Commission. This is indeed "the EU way", trying to find compromise via party-family bargaining ... in private. > All lead candidates had been tried before her, but all of them failed to obtain majority support in the negotiations. The Parliament did…

All real negotiations are private. When politicians debate or negotiate in public, they inevitably start talking past each other to the general public. Voting rituals would be a waste of time. The confirmation vote is not just about the President of the Commission but the entire package, including other major positions in the Commission and major policy directions. If no party has a majority, no candidate can hope to…

All of those should be voted directly by the people.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by ajsnigrutin » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:41 PM UTC

tasn wrote: post #211

This, and other similar legislation, serve as a constant reminder of why the American founding fathers had to revolt against tyranny, and why constitution amendments like the 1st and 4th exist. The 4th in particular was written as a response to a British law similar to Chat Control (writs of assistance).

And then you got the patriot act.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by modo_mario » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:43 PM UTC

pohuing wrote: post #224

dismalaf wrote: post #158

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War is less imminent now than ever. Ukraine has caused a ton of damage to Russia and at this point the Kremlin has more to worry about than EU countries (pretty much every Russian government ever is brought down from within). No, leftist governments in the EU have failed to provide prosperity and failed in all their promises, now they're going for total control to try to stay in power. Look at France, as soon as Le P…

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I presume hes using it as a shitty euphemism for pro mass migration. Conservative governments have kind of taken side on that front despite rethoric (see Boris wave of the conservatives, CDU and such)

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by ajsnigrutin » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:44 PM UTC

Fredkin wrote: post #147

Maybe a dumb question, but what's to stop people from communicating e2e encrypted over totally insecure channels using steganography techniques? You don't need a special app to do this, or maybe you just need a companion app that you type your message into and it gives you the thing you just paste into whatever messaging app / social media you use. The steganography makes it hard for the operator to determine that yo…

Getting the criminals is not the point here, mass control is. How many of your friends do this now? The criminals might do it, but why, when they can just meet in person and talk there, without a digital recording of what they talk?

Combine the 'age verification' (show your ID when you register) with this (we can read what you type), add some AI (to profile the people), and you have all the info you'd ever want on anyone anywhere.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by u8080 » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:44 PM UTC

vrganj wrote: post #217

u8080 wrote: post #202

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Okay, I am not EU citizen, let's see EPP's manifesto: As a central part of its campaign for the European elections in 2009, the EPP approved its election manifesto at its Congress in Warsaw in April that year. The manifesto called for:[16] - Creation of new jobs, continuing reforms and investment in education, lifelong learning, and employment to create opportunities for everyone (govt universal social investment, le…

> - Creation of new jobs, continuing reforms and investment in education, lifelong learning, and employment to create opportunities for everyone - Avoidance of protectionism, and coordination of fiscal and monetary policies - - Making Europe the market leader in green technology. Market ideology -> Right wing - Increasing the share of renewable energy to at least 20 percent of the energy mix by 2020. Done through inc…

>Market ideology -> Right wing >Done through incentives, not nationalized industry -> market ideology, right wing.

Yeah, compared to communists they are right, but even socialists does not push against market economy and if you consider socialists right-wing - we have a huge de-sync on definitions level I guess.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by modo_mario » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:47 PM UTC

Thraway198 wrote: post #180

spwa4 wrote: post #176

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The promise (for the non-insane majority) was that immigration was going to save our economic bacon. That's the orthodox economist viewpoint after all. Well, it didn't. The minimum anyone would have to accept is that the economy went to shit while mass immigration was happening ... (in both EU and Canada). So I guess you don't have to accept causation, but they were happening simultaneously, so this reaction by the p…

I agree that it's justified. SOME immigration is needed in order to save "duh economy," but what we got instead was economic warfare against workers.

It's not even that some migration is need to save the economy. You'd need pronatalist policies or you're going to be doing that "some immigration" for ever and ever.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by pohuing » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:54 PM UTC

modo_mario wrote: post #235

pohuing wrote: post #224

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I presume hes using it as a shitty euphemism for pro mass migration. Conservative governments have kind of taken side on that front despite rethoric (see Boris wave of the conservatives, CDU and such)

But this keeps being spearheaded by Danes, who in recent times aren't particularly pro immigration...

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by tenthirtyam » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:56 PM UTC

budududuroiu wrote: post #6

Roberta Metsola's actions this week jeopardise the legitimacy of the EU project as a whole. It's clear that member countries use the EU as a blame-laundering mechanism to pass domestically unpopular laws, but the forcing of this vote under the urgency procedure that requires absolute majority to reject, on the last EP session before summer break is so blatant that it might awaken people that might've overlooked the s…

I think I'm one of those to whom you refer (except that I'm already "awake", or at least I like to think so). I'm normally pro-EU but this chat control is anathema to me. I'll be voting anti-EU in future I think.