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> One of my favorites is that Santa Fe has been the capital city of Nuevo Mexico since 1610. Acoma, another city in modern-day New Mexico, is about 500 years older still We were taught this in California in elementary school. Spanish colonial history actually tends to be taught at the same time or earlier than East Coast history in much of the American West (usually as "California" or "Texas" or "Colorado" history).
I grew up in Texas and took Texas history. I learned things like Texas being the only US state that was once an independent country and where the Six Flags came from (later the name of an amusement park empire that originated in Texas). But they never taught us much about New Mexico.
New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony
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Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony
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They briefly visited, they didn't "conquer"
The Vikings didn’t “conquer” new lands the way you might imagine. Rather than just raiding, they often settled, intermingled with the locals farmers and established new states. As seen in Scottish Isles, Ireland, Danelaw (England), Ukraine, Faroes, Iceland, Normandy, Greenland, Newfoundland etc they sack some leadership but quickly integrate and evolve into mostly peaceful farming societies
Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony
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Yes, but most do not associate with some form of European identity or solidarity. The overwhelming majority of African Americans do not view Europeans as their kin and vice versa. Same with a plurality of Latinos depending on where they come from as well as their race. OP's comment represents a very common sentiment and implication I've noticed amongst Europeans: 1. That America is inherently "European" and always wi…
> Culturally, America is much closer now to Latin America or Asia. That's an interesting statement. From my perspective, Latin America is clearly European, in the sense I understand the concept. It feels much like Russia. Major cities and densely populated regions are European, with local characteristics. But there are other cultures around, and they are dominant in some regions. And if you travel in fringe areas, yo…
But depending on where you are in Latin America as well as their familial background they may or may not associate with a European identity.
The LatAm states who associate the most with Europe are also the most racial homogenous (Argentina, Uruguay, Chile) because of mass European migration in the late 19th and 20th century.
Other larger states like Mexico, Guatemala, Bolivia, Peru, Dominican Republic, etc do not associate with Europe because these were highly mixed societies with large indigenous or African populations, and anti-Europeanism is almost as strong as anti-Americanism for historical reasons (eg. The French invasion of Mexico in the 1860s, the Mayan genocide in 1980s Guatemala led by white Guatemalan leadership).
Most Latinos know they aren't viewed as kin by Europeans and don't view them as kin either.
> I don't see Europeanness as something associated with specific ethnic groups or states. It's a cultural package that started spreading from the Roman Empire and was imposed upon different peoples at different times
But you need to accept you are European to truly be European, which we do not - look at the rise of "Heritage American" as an identity amongst White Americans.
Europeans are invalidating almost 400 years of domestic American cultural development as well as minimizing African, Native, and Asian American influences - which is a major cultural influence in vast swathes of the US - by pushing this notion that America is "European" and as such has an obligation to Europe.
We aren't European. We're Western.
The US has had it's own culture and European influence waxes and wanes depending on region, and most Americans simply don't view Europe as important anymore since 2008-09.
Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony
#64The colors of the flag is Philadelphia pay homage to this Swedish heritage.
Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
They briefly visited, they didn't "conquer"
The Vikings didn’t “conquer” new lands the way you might imagine. Rather than just raiding, they often settled, intermingled with the locals farmers and established new states. As seen in Scottish Isles, Ireland, Danelaw (England), Ukraine, Faroes, Iceland, Normandy, Greenland, Newfoundland etc they sack some leadership but quickly integrate and evolve into mostly peaceful farming societies
There aren’t any the viking settlements in the Americas from that time? Or at least evidence of intermingling with the locals.
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I grew up in Texas and took Texas history. I learned things like Texas being the only US state that was once an independent country and where the Six Flags came from (later the name of an amusement park empire that originated in Texas). But they never taught us much about New Mexico.
Vermont was also an independent country, and for longer than Texas was.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
> One of my favorites is that Santa Fe has been the capital city of Nuevo Mexico since 1610. Acoma, another city in modern-day New Mexico, is about 500 years older still We were taught this in California in elementary school. Spanish colonial history actually tends to be taught at the same time or earlier than East Coast history in much of the American West (usually as "California" or "Texas" or "Colorado" history).
I grew up in Texas and took Texas history. I learned things like Texas being the only US state that was once an independent country and where the Six Flags came from (later the name of an amusement park empire that originated in Texas). But they never taught us much about New Mexico.
I also don't know when you were in K-7 but knowing HN's age demographics probably the 1980s to early 1990s.
From the 2000s onwards, New Spain and Spanish rule was prominent.
Here are the snippets of the Texas History textbook from around the time I was in grade school in the 2000s [0][1][2]
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[1] - https://worleytxhistory.weebly.com/uploads/8/7/9/6/8796216/c...
[2] - https://worleytxhistory.weebly.com/uploads/8/7/9/6/8796216/c...
Re: New Sweden: the US's long-lost 'secret' colony
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Vikings didn’t “conquer” new lands the way you might imagine. Rather than just raiding, they often settled, intermingled with the locals farmers and established new states. As seen in Scottish Isles, Ireland, Danelaw (England), Ukraine, Faroes, Iceland, Normandy, Greenland, Newfoundland etc they sack some leadership but quickly integrate and evolve into mostly peaceful farming societies
> The Vikings didn’t “conquer” new lands the way you might imagine. Rather than just raiding, they often settled, intermingled with the locals farmers and established new states There aren’t any the viking settlements in the Americas from that time? Or at least evidence of intermingling with the locals.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Culturally, America is much closer now to Latin America or Asia. That's an interesting statement. From my perspective, Latin America is clearly European, in the sense I understand the concept. It feels much like Russia. Major cities and densely populated regions are European, with local characteristics. But there are other cultures around, and they are dominant in some regions. And if you travel in fringe areas, yo…
> Latin America is clearly European, in the sense I understand the concept But depending on where you are in Latin America as well as their familial background they may or may not associate with a European identity. The LatAm states who associate the most with Europe are also the most racial homogenous (Argentina, Uruguay, Chile) because of mass European migration in the late 19th and 20th century. Other larger state…
From my perspective, as someone from the Northern fringes of Europe, Latin American society and culture feel fundamentally familiar, while Middle East and North Africa don't. Out of the Latin American countries I'm most familiar with, Peru feels more European and Chile more American. Peru feels more like an Old World country, while Chile used to be a sparsely populated frontier.
Europeans definitely don't view other Europeans as kin. They are foreigners with a lot of shared history and culture. Both World Wars were fought because Europeans saw other Europeans as fundamentally different.