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Post by zuzululu »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #609
zuzululu wrote: post #523

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> says more about the content you consume i can say the exact same for you and take a guess as to what your political leanings are but to be polite i'll leave it alone and agree to disagree

> i can say the exact same for you and take a guess as to what your political leanings No, you can't really. You already said you don't even play videogames . The mere fact that you imply Doom was too woke speaks volumes to how little interest you have in actually understanding the current landscape. You can't be an outsider to the hobby, make such slanted claims, and then accuse people who actually like games and in…

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Post by keyle »

branon wrote: post #77
ndiddy wrote: post #19

I think we'll see stuff like this continue to happen over time. As a game company, having your own engine means that you have to be able to cultivate internal expertise in your tooling. Your employees will know this and could do bad things like ask for more money because they know that replacing them would significantly hurt productivity. Meanwhile, laying off your whole engine team and switching to UE5 means that yo…

For me this falls apart on the consumer side of things. UE5 games are manifestly lower quality than games built on custom engines. Optimization is especially worse. UE5's performance baseline _requires_ the use of upscalers (DLSS/FSR, fake/AI frames) in order to hit basic targets like 1080p@30fps. I won't buy games built on Unreal Engine. Homogeneity of this type is horrible for customers of the gaming sector.

That's a ridiculously biased and short sighted opinion.

UE5 is just an evolution of UE4 and the early adopters suffer from being early adopters. Beyond that there is a skill issue in studios shipping less than ideal performances on time constraints.

UE5 is a marvel of modern technology from all angles.

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Post by mortsnort »

mohamedkoubaa wrote: post #603
GloriousKoji wrote: post #481

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It's a relic of SAT verbal analogies section which was removed in 2005. The syntax "A:B::C:D" represents the statement "A is to B as C is to D". So on the test you'd get questions such as python:snake :: ___ : ___ a) lua:satellite b) swift:bird c) java:coffee d) pearl:gem and you might select A because python is an interpreted scripting language and a type of snake in the same way lua is a scripting language and a ty…

I was asking because I didnt understand the claim made about game engines using the given verbal analogy but thanks for sharing this

It's open source:closed source. (Though UE is source available)

Re: Microsoft fire idTech team at Id software

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Post by krige »

BikiniPrince wrote: post #359
solatic wrote: post #316

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You're right, but idTech is almost by definition that "novelty" kind of engine. And it did help id to sell more games. It's just apparently not enough.

Id made games to demo their engine. No one is going to buy an engine without any games. They don’t even sell idTech anymore. It’s used for their games which are not making any money. No game sales doesn’t support the reasoning they should keep the engine around.

For whatever reason idsoft has not been licensing their engine for a long while. AFAICT it's not that "nobody's buying", it's that "they're not selling".

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Post by Grombobulous »

satvikpendem wrote: post #610
_joel wrote: post #578

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Why, has what they have been doing, working so well for them?

No, but it doesn't mean the opposite will either. Some solutions are orthogonal and in reality commenters online have no idea what to do in these sorts of business situations and therefore resort to making pithy statements.

I know these other commenters gave you a non-answer but my reply to you further up the thread is hopefully more of a tangible example of the strategy Xbox should be taking.

Some of that is potentially 5-10 years too late, but even with the pessimism around new consoles I think Microsoft could still reset their fortunes with new console hardware and new exclusive games as the anchor.

The next Xbox shouldn't just be a box that's equivalent to a PC or a PS6, it should have something unique, the kind of uniqueness that Nintendo has delivered with every new console. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but when it works, it works.

The next Xbox should launch out of the gate with 1-2 must-have games, completely exclusive. Can't get them on PC, can't get them on PlayStation or Switch, if it’s on GamePass it’s only on Xbox console.

This is more easily justified if the Xbox hardware is truly unique. "Sorry, we can't put this experience on PC or PlayStation, because only Xbox can do XYZ"

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Post by _joel »

satvikpendem wrote: post #610
_joel wrote: post #578

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Why, has what they have been doing, working so well for them?

No, but it doesn't mean the opposite will either. Some solutions are orthogonal and in reality commenters online have no idea what to do in these sorts of business situations and therefore resort to making pithy statements.

What's the opposite of pissing off your customers then? Not pissing off your customers.

Pretty simple, you're reading far too much into it, but thanks, it's a while since someone acknowledged my pithy status.

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Post by moralestapia »

onraglanroad wrote: post #604
moralestapia wrote: post #436

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>That's why we have workers' rights. Wrong. Being perpetually employed is not a right.

There's a massive difference between being perpetually employed and being fired for no reason at a job you've already demonstrated your ability at.

>being fired for no reason at a job you've already demonstrated your ability at

???

Curious to learn more about how would one ethically justify that?

No one owes nothing to another (aside from what's protected by human rights).

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Post by georgeecollins »

invalidOrTaken wrote: post #535
tranceylc wrote: post #373

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Could you give an example of something excellent and either innovative or influential that did not sell well? It’s a question I have sought to answer myself. Especially if you can find one that doesn’t take development costs into account. So I’m looking for an “objectively” (figuratively) excellent game, that has not sold many copies at all. A game on steam that should be popular but isn’t. Do you have any examples?

Wildgate

Sorry I did not reply with an example earlier, but InvaildorTaken just provide a perfect one. I was talking to some of the creators of this game last week. They are the people who made some of the biggest hits at Blizzard. They are super proud of that game and IMO it's really good. You can nitpick it, but you can nitpick hit games too.

Did not sell enough to justify the cost.

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Post by avadodin »

bitwize wrote: post #248
epolanski wrote: post #233

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Unions have 33% voting power in Volkswagen board. Germany has very strong labor protecting laws. Replacing line engineers and operators is very difficult. Volkswagen is firing 100k employees in Germany none the less. The idea that you can successfully unionize in software..in US..Where you could simply retain a small number of staff key members pay them very well and put them on a mission of outsourcing and milking t…

It's almost as if... laborers in every field (the proletariat) have to unionize as a class against the ownership class (the bourgeoisie), seize the means of production, and reorganize society to their own benefit because the bourgeoisie surely will not!

What 19th century chimney did you come out of?

I have as much disdain for lazy laborers as I have for the capitalists trying to exploit them.

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