Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

Post by piloto_ciego » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:57 PM UTC

palmotea wrote: post #82

piloto_ciego wrote: post #80

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I get that doom sense, but... I can't really see it happening because... well, people that have never truly been hungry are already frantically clacking at their keyboards with the slogan of "eat the rich!" I don't know what we get? But if this is the rhetoric now, how many Luigis would we expect to see as things got really bad, and the vision you paint is really bad.

The thing with AI and AI-enabled automation is that it may lead to a world where the rich don't need anyone else anymore. I could totally imagine things shaking out where the rich and everything important is so-well defended that even an army of Luigis is impotent. Also, after a couple assassinations of business leaders I think we'll see gun control laws like the US has never seen.

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:04 PM UTC

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #72

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replying to my own thread here, but this got me thinking, so thanks OP, but... can anyone here think of some better ways where we could decouple the education process from the work process? To me this seems like the main problem. It seems that we've decided that "get good grades == good employee" collectively. I know I'm a bad employee (which is why I work for myself now but that's another story), but I got great gra…

Make education free. I'd love to study something like philosophy or art history but there's just no return on that investment. Unless you're already wealthy, it doesn't make sense to drop five or six figures on a degree unless it's likely to pay for itself. Which is even becoming less likely with STEM, as we hit a confluence of higher education costs, fewer job openings, and AI as a competitor for work.

Post by eudamoniac » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:15 PM UTC

piloto_ciego wrote: post #118

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Another thing we can add is sealing grades. If you can’t use your grades as a credential, the incentive to cheat is reduced. This won’t solve the relation between getting a job and living - that’s a job for UBI and a comprehensive social security system.

Or, maybe we get rid of them. Like maybe the idea of having grades is kind of silly in the first place?

Post by cliglot » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 3:32 PM UTC

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Seems like an application of Goodhart's law; measuring worth by degree or grades stopped measuring learning or ability. This was a lot harder to cheat before AI, but now the floodgates are open and grades and degrees earned post-AI are showing that they mean little. Cheating on college tests should be a jailable criminal offense (similar to computer fraud) so that there is dignity in the degree again. Considering the…

You don’t even need to go that far. If they just expelled cheaters instead of trying to sweep it under the rug and ignore it that would go a long way.

Post by BenjiWiebe » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 4:07 PM UTC

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citation needed on that last claim. do you have universal healthcare free at point of service? do you have a healthy supply of public housing? do you let children starve, through no fault of their own but the circumstances of their birth? do you engage is ears of choice and murder 100+ innocent children in a primary school on the first day of the conflict? the answer to some of these questions should be yes, and othe…

The greatest country on earth ever is that which most people of the world, if given a free plane ticket and permission to live in, would go to. I don’t know how you find it controversial. It’s just a fact.