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US seeks cheaper hunter-killer drones after Iran destroys $1B worth of Reapers

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Re: US seeks cheaper hunter-killer drones after Iran destroys $1B worth of Reapers

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Don't overlook the "the people of this foreign land are yearning to be free of their current rulers, and just need a little help from their neighborly U.S. armed forces" trope. I think there are plenty of people who actually believe it.

Are you sure the claim is false?

Like almost everything, it's almost certainly false for some people. And almost certainly true for others.

It's almost like you can't paint an entire country with one brush?

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And let's not forget: the voters back them on this.

From what I know, the 'defense' industry has their production cleverly across all 50 states so that they're seen as one of the few sources of stable employment for most, sadly.

It's not actually that many people in the grand scheme at ~1.1 million according to the CRS, but it is spread out very effectively so that massive cuts can be directly felt by any chosen House representative or senator. It's partially a capacity preservation system as well, for defense a nation wants to be able to produce a significant portion of it's military hardware needs in a war domestically and you need to keep those industries alive somehow against cheaper foreign producers so you have the Berry Amendment that requires clothing etc purchased by the DoD to only use US made materials.

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They are white [1]. [1]: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21211671-1997-revisi...

They certainly look white to me. Are Spanish people white or Hispanic according to those definitions? 'Original peoples' is an interesting phrase. Neanderthals? Beaker people? A single category for everyone from Pakistanis to Japanese is weird.

I think they meant Caucasian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

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This is why Ukraine is making equivalent tech now for 1/10th the price. It's great to see.

All the drone footage is actually pretty horrific to see.

I agree. Nightmare fuel.

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The fact that this person thinks the Afghanistan exit was a success should have let you know he is a crackpot well before the last sentence.

The Afghanistan exit was a completely predictable colossal failure, but it did mean we stopped lighting money on fire in Afghanistan.

Ignore that we funded the taliban and warlords for the next 50 years with 1.9 billion in vehicles, machine guns, small arms, night vision, and explosives?

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There are ~350,000,000 of us. When I read we spent $1B, I think about how I'm responsible for $3 of that. It doesn't matter considering the ~$117,550 of the national debt I'm responsible for. It palls compared to the $3,000 a year in interest towards the national debt I'm responsible for. What boggles my mind is that I make coffee at home because I'm frugal. I guess it is good the government and DoD are seeking cheap…

Side note: The federal government costs about $19 billion per day to operate based on an annual budget of roughly $7 trillion. So $1 billion is about equal to 4 hour hours of government spending.

> The federal government costs about $19 billion per day to operate based on an annual budget of roughly $7 trillion.

$7 trillion is not operating expenses. Much goes into assets that are retained decades or more. The Interstate Highway System isn't an operating expense.

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> but being fueled by massively excessive taxes in the USA Not excessive taxes, a political choice to spend a lot of the revenue on defense. And anyone who wants to reduce military spending will get asked: "Don't you support our troops?" And that'll be the end of that

Taxes in the US go to a cluster of major items. Medicare, other medical, Social Security, interest, VA benefits and veteran's medical care, federal spending on the indigent or disabled, and Defense. Those together are 94% of annual federal spending. None of that spending is subject to that much debate; all the remaining "debate" is over the remaining 6%. I don't think defense is really as discretionary as it seems. A…

Everything on your list but VA benefits and defense are very regularly called into question. Even VA benefits are questioned pretty regularly, but that tends to be put down pretty quickly.

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This is why Ukraine is making equivalent tech now for 1/10th the price. It's great to see.

All the drone footage is actually pretty horrific to see.

Depends on who's on the receiving end.

Re: US seeks cheaper hunter-killer drones after Iran destroys $1B worth of Reapers

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Will be quite interesting what the end evolution of this will be.

I think high direct movability (like droping a few meters or shifting left/right) might be the next bigger thing for these. Easy enough to add, will make it even harder for air defence missiles catching them.

Besides, the air defence missiles are a lot more expensive than what a drone does.

And in Russia you saw another huge issue: How to shoot down a drone in your city without missing it and destroying something else?

How much payload do you need anyway? Like imagine oil refinery: how much kilo of c4 do you need? I don't think that much.

Or imagine a formation of drones with small payloads and starting to crash in one house wall like into putins palace or the white house.

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I’m no military expert by any means but US appears to be obsessed with destroying some super important target to win, like they did with killing Iran leaders only to find out that new leader replace the perished. The same with the other stuff, they have super important radar and super important ships that need to be defended and a failure creates irreplaceable loses. Iran on the other hand, just like with their super…

Its the issue of the orange clown.

The USA Military was quite aware that killing Irans Leadership is not 'it'.

But Trump saw how well venezuela worked so that was it.

Yeah USA politics is not 4D Chess.

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