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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by shevy-java »

nick486 wrote: post #82
budududuroiu wrote: post #6

Roberta Metsola's actions this week jeopardise the legitimacy of the EU project as a whole. It's clear that member countries use the EU as a blame-laundering mechanism to pass domestically unpopular laws, but the forcing of this vote under the urgency procedure that requires absolute majority to reject, on the last EP session before summer break is so blatant that it might awaken people that might've overlooked the s…

I'm really surprised at the hurry. The EU, and many EU governments, have been ramming through deeply unpopular legislation at a breakneck pace for no apparent reason, lately. It feels like the last turn in a board game where everyone is busy taking points with no regard for the impact of the decisions on the theoretical next turn - because there is no next turn. Its really weird. > blame-laundering mechanism Also, I'…

> I'm really surprised at the hurry.

Well, once you realise that the so-called "EU parliament" is nothing but a lobbyist group (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_corruption_scandal_at_th...) it is no longer surprising. To me nothing here is surprising, neither the hurry nor any slowness.

Lobbyists are winning the war.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by u8080 »

vrganj wrote: post #195
u8080 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU conservatives are just moderate leftists, who cares.

What are you even saying? As a leftist, I want nothing to do with those fascists.

Okay, I am not EU citizen, let's see EPP's manifesto:

As a central part of its campaign for the European elections in 2009, the EPP approved its election manifesto at its Congress in Warsaw in April that year. The manifesto called for:[16]

- Creation of new jobs, continuing reforms and investment in education, lifelong learning, and employment to create opportunities for everyone (govt universal social investment, left)

- Avoidance of protectionism, and coordination of fiscal and monetary policies (pro-federal pro-centralisation)

- Increased transparency and surveillance in financial markets(more regulation on market)

- Making Europe the market leader in green technology. (increase govt involvement in economy)

- Increasing the share of renewable energy to at least 20 percent of the energy mix by 2020. (increase govt involvement in economy)

- Family-friendly flexibility for working parents, better child care and housing, family-friendly fiscal policies, encouragement of parental leave. (Pro-Worker's rights, social security)

-A new strategy to attract skilled workers from the rest of the world to make Europe's economy more competitive, more dynamic and more knowledge-driven (Pro-migration)

Could you explain how that's considered right-wing?

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by bluescrn »

attila-lendvai wrote: post #129
nick486 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really surprised at the hurry. The EU, and many EU governments, have been ramming through deeply unpopular legislation at a breakneck pace for no apparent reason, lately. It feels like the last turn in a board game where everyone is busy taking points with no regard for the impact of the decisions on the theoretical next turn - because there is no next turn. Its really weird. > blame-laundering mechanism Also, I'…

for no apparent rason? the way they are preparing to bring the population into a war hardly can be any more apparent...

War requires industry. But we've deindustrialised and outsourced the manufacture of almost everything to China.

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Post by techpression »

budududuroiu wrote: post #6

Roberta Metsola's actions this week jeopardise the legitimacy of the EU project as a whole. It's clear that member countries use the EU as a blame-laundering mechanism to pass domestically unpopular laws, but the forcing of this vote under the urgency procedure that requires absolute majority to reject, on the last EP session before summer break is so blatant that it might awaken people that might've overlooked the s…

They've been doing this with unpopular votes since the inception of the EU, nothing new and people definitely haven't woken up, unfortunately.

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Post by wolvoleo »

spwa4 wrote: post #177
jalapenoj wrote: post #157

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For the insane part of the left, yes. For the majority, let's be honest: no. And for the centrist voters without whom neither the left nor the right can do anything: absolutely not. Immigration was going to solve our economic troubles. Immigrants would bring welfare. That was the idea. Well, that didn't happen. As to whether that's to blame on immigration ... I would argue it's to blame on the rate and the source of…

Nobody's talking about allowing infinite numbers of immigrants. I don't know where that story even comes from.

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Post by hananova »

spwa4 wrote: post #172

Majority AGAINST, passes anyway: 314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions In case anyone wants to know: stopping it would have required 361 against.

And more than a hundred did not vote, if they wanted to vote no they could have. But they didn’t so they’re implicitly in favor.

The fact that governments worldwide do not force either a vote for or against is a much greater issue as it allows representatives to launder their beliefs through inaction.

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Post by mrtksn »

kode-targz wrote: post #196
mrtksn wrote: post #95

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I disagree. The definition of "bad actor" constantly changes. Something you do legally today can and will become illegal in the future, and if you don't change your ways, you will be a bad actor, too. The people pushing for this under the guise of protecting children are the same people who went on The Island, or at least protect those who did. They never cared about children's safety. The biggest criminals of all ar…

Sure, the definition changes but whoever are the bad actors now create the desire to deal with them, which creates a motive or excuse to create or change systems for that. No matter how fair or unfair the treatment is, if you actually manage to stonewall that through technological or other means, those will be destroyed.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by wolvoleo »

yolo3000 wrote: post #165
wolvoleo wrote: post #149

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> for some godforsaken reason left-lib parties in europe think accepting infinity migrants forever is the most important thing to do This is completely BS. Nobody wants to let in unlimited migrants. This is not a goal of anyone, including the left-most left. In fact on the left we are very aware that our welfare systems can't support unlimited people. The left wing parties just wish to honour existing international t…

Numbers are going down, but in my area there are now 4 buildings with asylum seekers. Started with a hotel, then an office building, then some newly built expensive houses that were first up for rent and now rented for asylum seekers, and now another office building. Honoring existing treaties out of principle can also be put on hold when the situation changes.

If they are only asylum seekers, it means they are still in the validation process.

Unfortunately the hard-right has also defunded that process for many years, and have thus created this problem themselves. The agencies tasked with figuring out if asylum seekers have a legitimate claim are overwhelmed with all the work. This is purely a self-created problem (intended to gaslight the population in there being a huge 'immigrant problem').

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by dabber21 »

londons_explore wrote: post #13

The defence against this is widespread truly peer to peer messaging services, where there is no company at the middle to tell you add backdoors. Who is working on that? I suspect the main challenge is not technical, but human - persuading users to switch messenger apps is almost impossible.

Not P2P but Delta Chat

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by psychoslave »

jltsiren wrote: post #175
logifail wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the European Council's negotiations were private. No public hearings, no public votes, not even any public parliamentary debates(!) about different candidates for the Commission. This is indeed "the EU way", trying to find compromise via party-family bargaining ... in private. > All lead candidates had been tried before her, but all of them failed to obtain majority support in the negotiations. The Parliament did…

All real negotiations are private. When politicians debate or negotiate in public, they inevitably start talking past each other to the general public. Voting rituals would be a waste of time. The confirmation vote is not just about the President of the Commission but the entire package, including other major positions in the Commission and major policy directions. If no party has a majority, no candidate can hope to…

On the other hand people don’t all want for negotiations to happen in private: https://european-republic.eu/en/
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