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Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by BigTTYGothGF » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:25 PM UTC

tuckwat wrote: post #134

lins1909 wrote: post #125

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It's kind of strange to not engage with any of the points made in the article. Unlike you, I don't think the post makes them look childish at all. I think it raises a lot of valid points and makes me want to use Zig more.

Do you have bias? I'm not saying I don't have some hidden bias but I have no skin in the game. I don't use Bun or Zig or plan to. My reflection comes after reading Jarred's post yesterday, which I found interesting, and then Andrew's today. I just pasted this article into an LLM to understand the tone and the summary is: > The overall tone is deeply personal, cathartic, biting, and polemical, with flashes of humor an…

> I just pasted this article into an LLM to understand the tone

That's your brain's job, don't outsource it.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by orangedog » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:25 PM UTC

nesarkvechnep wrote: post #349

orangedog wrote: post #336

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I have engaged with the Zig community. You're saying that people should not come to conclusions based on what they just read.=, from the founder nonetheless.

Did Linus Torvalds convince you, with his history of outbursts, that Linux is done?

He's turned that down over time and has said as much.

I figure taking the most successful project of the 90s and using that as a polestar for of newer projects who re trying to get and keep traction over other projects (see this thread and topic) is probably a bad idea.

It in fact is a great thing to learn from, not repeat the same errors.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by em-bee » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:27 PM UTC

27183 wrote: post #269

ModernMech wrote: post #214

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> Those people talked to each other. Everybody talked to everybody. The grapevine was large and healthy and full of juicy grapes, and all those grapes contained the juice of the same message: Jarred was a stinky manager. There’s a big gap between corpo speak and “stinky manager”. That’s nowhere close to professional writing. And he’s not giving us his personal opinion, Kelley is telling us the conclusion of the “grap…

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he doesn't owe it, but his writing reflects on him and the project. personal blog or not, the writing shows his personality, and that in turn affects how comfortable i am using a project led by this person. if this was just one of many zig developers then it would not matter as much, but as this is the founder and leader, his personality has a major impact on the project as whole. especially in how it attracts contributors, and how long those contributors will stay around.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by conartist6 » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:27 PM UTC

embedding-shape wrote: post #306

conartist6 wrote: post #286

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Fine, they're leeches. My problem is that if everyone behaved as selfishly as they do, there would be no more nice things for anyone.

> Fine, they're leeches. But of the points is that no-one owes anyone anything, if you use my code I don't owe you support or anything else and by you using it, you owe me nothing either, no money, effort or anything else. Sure, if the maintainer want, it's nice when people fix the issues for the maintainer, as long as they want it, or that people and companies donate when maintainer set that up, but in no way should…

Again that behavior is legal but antisocial

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by dpatterbee » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:28 PM UTC

dwattttt wrote: post #348

dpatterbee wrote: post #292

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Those are not personal criticisms, those are all professional criticisms. There are many people who don't seem to know the different between work and life and so they may conflate the two, but to me it's pretty obvious.

"a stinky manager ... Just a total shit show" are examples I would reach for to demonstrate someone is not being professional.

I don't know why choice of language is having such sway in determining what you view as professional. Maybe it's just a cultural difference but where I'm from people just use the words they need to to communicate what they're trying to say. If something's a shit show I'd prefer someone just said it rather than dancing around it with corpo-speak.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by orangedog » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:28 PM UTC

elktown wrote: post #346

orangedog wrote: post #310

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It is not about good tone it's about not being hateful and rude. Why is this that hard to pick apart? Why do devs believe being rude is somehow a sign of honesty? They are orthogonal. This post needed none of the mean-spirited attacks that it contained to make its points. It is only hurt by the attacks as seen by the focus on "tone" throughout these comments.

It's all about tone. The original bad behavior is done without overt "bad tone" but if the response to it is spicy then the former is ignored and the latter is condemned despite being of lesser severity. I can buy that it can be good corporate politics to not upset the superficial crowd that will immediately lash out on tone, but I will not judge someone rightfully reacting on bad behavior that they've been on the re…

You can call it superficiality but there are just some of us who believe that treating people right is the core of this. You're viewing that as some kind of superficial virtue signaling but if we're not treating people with respect then there's not a point in doing any of this, it gets to the very thing that Kelley is complaining about.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by em-bee » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:29 PM UTC

27183 wrote: post #301

orangedog wrote: post #294

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He's not operating personally as the leader of a major project.

> He's not operating personally as the leader of a major project. What? So let me get this straight--if my open source project which I have given away for free becomes "major" (for some definition) then all of a sudden I have to filter my writing through some kind of average acceptableness test? Come on. [edit] It would be one thing if this was published on Zig letterhead, but it was the guy's personal blog...

you have to if you want to continue to attract users and contributors. if you don't care about that then feel free.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by dpatterbee » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:30 PM UTC

orangedog wrote: post #336

dpatterbee wrote: post #318

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Zig's community is - bar none - the least toxic programming community I've experienced. People on this website (who have never witnessed a single Zig community interaction) love to read blogposts from afar and come to conclusions this way and that, but if they ever stopped to actually engage with the people involved they'd find out the truth quite easily.

I have engaged with the Zig community. You're saying that people should not come to conclusions based on what they just read.=, from the founder nonetheless.

So you're saying your only singular experience with the Zig community is this one blogpost, and you've written 14 comments so far on here about it? What are you even gaining here?

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by dataflow » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:30 PM UTC

dpatterbee wrote: post #292

krautsauer wrote: post #240

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> I actually don't have any personal criticisms of Jarred. was the cherry on top.

Those are not personal criticisms, those are all professional criticisms. There are many people who don't seem to know the different between work and life and so they may conflate the two, but to me it's pretty obvious.

> There are many people who don't seem to know the different between work and life and so they may conflate the two, but to me it's pretty obvious.

Nobody is conflating anything, you're just misinterpreting the same words with different meanings.

A professional criticism can, in fact, be unprofessional, and even a personal attack. These are not mutually exclusive.

> Those are not personal criticisms

You're using "personal" to mean "regarding non-professional matters", whereas others are using "personal" to mean "regarding the individual person themselves".

> those are all professional criticisms

You're using "professional" to mean "regarding the profession" whereas others are using to mean... you know, the opposite of "unprofessional".

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by hoppp » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:30 PM UTC

tuckwat wrote: post #101

This is unprofessional and embarrassing for Zig. I know very little about Jared but his article yesterday, which I read, seemed appreciative of Zig. I now learn he's donated significant chunks of money to them. This entire article is publicly and personally attacking him for choosing a different product. It's insane to me that Andrew thinks this post will somehow exonerate Zig when it really just makes them look chil…

I don't think it's an attack, more like a goodbye.

Andrew is happy bun is not zig anymore because it was not up to the level they would expect from a project that represents them.