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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by throw-the-towel »

inigyou wrote: post #40
BSDobelix wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But now you have governmental overreach and legalized spying on European Citizens by (mostly) US Companies, so i would say that Law is truly binary bad. Also how the Law was forced is extremely bad. But hey it's once more proof that the EU is not a democratically spirited institution.

It still remains true that Mark Zuckerberg will get arrested if he is caught using the data for anything other than child porn scans.

Yeah, I'm not bating my breath for the Silicon Valley Invasion Act.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by vrganj »

weberer wrote: post #94
vrganj wrote: post #23

Brought to you - as always - by the Conservatives. Conservatism is just fascism with a slightly nicer image.

This was overwhelmingly approved by "The Left in the European Parliament" (that's their actual coalition name) as well as the Greens. It was overwhelmingly rejected by the European People's Party (AKA "The Right"). And mixed among other groups (S&D and Conservatives). https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775

Indeed. The vote, however, was about stopping Chat Control. The key term is "derogation" in the title.

A "yes" vote was a vote against Chat Control. It failed because it needed an absolute majority of 361/) votes to defeat the "urgent procedure" lawfare by Metsina, a conservative.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by Thraway198 »

inferniac wrote: post #121
nick486 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really surprised at the hurry. The EU, and many EU governments, have been ramming through deeply unpopular legislation at a breakneck pace for no apparent reason, lately. It feels like the last turn in a board game where everyone is busy taking points with no regard for the impact of the decisions on the theoretical next turn - because there is no next turn. Its really weird. > blame-laundering mechanism Also, I'…

>for no apparent reason, lately. for some godforsaken reason left-lib parties in europe think accepting infinity migrants forever is the most important thing to do this is becoming more and more unpopular with the voters, leading to right wing parties surging across europe (Denmark, which has an immigration restrictionist left wing government doesnt seem to have an issue here, true mystery) obviously the solution her…

In Canada, there's been a lot of talk about how immigration, "broke the Canadian consensus," around immigration as a good thing.

The problem is, there never was a consensus around immigration. The Liberals own stats prove that. What there was was a consensus around multiculturalism and tolerance.

Immigration itself, was always split evenly among three camps in Canada: those who want more, those who want less, and those who think we have the right amount.

Trudeau & his fake leftist brigade many have ruined multiculturalism for a large portion of Canadians, permanently.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by cess11 »

nick486 wrote: post #82
budududuroiu wrote: post #6

Roberta Metsola's actions this week jeopardise the legitimacy of the EU project as a whole. It's clear that member countries use the EU as a blame-laundering mechanism to pass domestically unpopular laws, but the forcing of this vote under the urgency procedure that requires absolute majority to reject, on the last EP session before summer break is so blatant that it might awaken people that might've overlooked the s…

I'm really surprised at the hurry. The EU, and many EU governments, have been ramming through deeply unpopular legislation at a breakneck pace for no apparent reason, lately. It feels like the last turn in a board game where everyone is busy taking points with no regard for the impact of the decisions on the theoretical next turn - because there is no next turn. Its really weird. > blame-laundering mechanism Also, I'…

It's a US data pump, and the EU is a bunch of vassal states. That's the hurry, shutting down the data flow because the permissive legislation runs out is not allowed.

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Post by yolo3000 »

wolvoleo wrote: post #149
inferniac wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>for no apparent reason, lately. for some godforsaken reason left-lib parties in europe think accepting infinity migrants forever is the most important thing to do this is becoming more and more unpopular with the voters, leading to right wing parties surging across europe (Denmark, which has an immigration restrictionist left wing government doesnt seem to have an issue here, true mystery) obviously the solution her…

> for some godforsaken reason left-lib parties in europe think accepting infinity migrants forever is the most important thing to do This is completely BS. Nobody wants to let in unlimited migrants. This is not a goal of anyone, including the left-most left. In fact on the left we are very aware that our welfare systems can't support unlimited people. The left wing parties just wish to honour existing international t…

Numbers are going down, but in my area there are now 4 buildings with asylum seekers. Started with a hotel, then an office building, then some newly built expensive houses that were first up for rent and now rented for asylum seekers, and now another office building. Honoring existing treaties out of principle can also be put on hold when the situation changes.

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Post by [deleted] »

attila-lendvai wrote: post #129
nick486 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really surprised at the hurry. The EU, and many EU governments, have been ramming through deeply unpopular legislation at a breakneck pace for no apparent reason, lately. It feels like the last turn in a board game where everyone is busy taking points with no regard for the impact of the decisions on the theoretical next turn - because there is no next turn. Its really weird. > blame-laundering mechanism Also, I'…

for no apparent rason? the way they are preparing to bring the population into a war hardly can be any more apparent...

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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by throw-the-towel »

attila-lendvai wrote: post #141
Telaneo wrote: post #107

I want to like the EU. In many ways I do. They're making it really easy to not like them. All for a safe and secure society.

except it's hardly safe or secure anymore...

Something something essential liberty, something something temporary safety.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by gambiting »

dismalaf wrote: post #158
attila-lendvai wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for no apparent rason? the way they are preparing to bring the population into a war hardly can be any more apparent...

War is less imminent now than ever. Ukraine has caused a ton of damage to Russia and at this point the Kremlin has more to worry about than EU countries (pretty much every Russian government ever is brought down from within). No, leftist governments in the EU have failed to provide prosperity and failed in all their promises, now they're going for total control to try to stay in power. Look at France, as soon as Le P…

I don't share this outlook, sadly - given that military figures especially around the Eastern side of EU keep saying military conflict with Russia is "inevitable" in the next 4 years. Of course - they are in the military, their job is specifically to look at the worst case scenarios. But I wouldn't be so sure the risk is not there.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by u8080 »

tartoran wrote: post #140
wolvoleo wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah US is threatening to invade and take over Canada, Greenland, I mean no wonder the alliance is no longer strong right? And the internal struggles are indeed a problem, this is due to the extreme right which has completely taken over America (and is sponsored by Russia). It was good to see the Hungarians came to their senses but it's worrying that the EU doesn't have a mechanism to expel countries. The problem is…

Right wing populism is growing in EU as well. That is also sponsored by Russia but also by Trump/Vance etc..

It is popular because governments are failed to address legitimate issues and gaslight population.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by dminik »

inferniac wrote: post #121
nick486 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really surprised at the hurry. The EU, and many EU governments, have been ramming through deeply unpopular legislation at a breakneck pace for no apparent reason, lately. It feels like the last turn in a board game where everyone is busy taking points with no regard for the impact of the decisions on the theoretical next turn - because there is no next turn. Its really weird. > blame-laundering mechanism Also, I'…

>for no apparent reason, lately. for some godforsaken reason left-lib parties in europe think accepting infinity migrants forever is the most important thing to do this is becoming more and more unpopular with the voters, leading to right wing parties surging across europe (Denmark, which has an immigration restrictionist left wing government doesnt seem to have an issue here, true mystery) obviously the solution her…

Denmark was one of the main countries pushing for Chat Control 2.0 ...
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