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Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by conartist6 » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:18 PM UTC

orangedog wrote: post #299

conartist6 wrote: post #286

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Fine, they're leeches. My problem is that if everyone behaved as selfishly as they do, there would be no more nice things for anyone.

I just think you're fighting a losing battle. I'm pretty apathetic about it because I've never wanted to do anything but give away my stuff anyway. It only has value in my/your head most of the time. I think how deeply you care about this and the way you castigate other people is unhealthy and it is critical for your own well-being that you come to terms with it.

Unhealthy, yes. Well being, not so hot these days. But I could give a damn, cause I'm going to replace Git and Github both and have my name written in the history books.

As Lin-Manuel Hamilton said, "God help and forgive me; I want to build something that's gonna outlive me."

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by hoppp » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:19 PM UTC

tuckwat wrote: post #101

This is unprofessional and embarrassing for Zig. I know very little about Jared but his article yesterday, which I read, seemed appreciative of Zig. I now learn he's donated significant chunks of money to them. This entire article is publicly and personally attacking him for choosing a different product. It's insane to me that Andrew thinks this post will somehow exonerate Zig when it really just makes them look chil…

I don't think he is attacking, he's just organising his thoughts publicly.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by mattstir » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:20 PM UTC

gorjusborg wrote: post #304

tuckwat wrote: post #101

This is unprofessional and embarrassing for Zig. I know very little about Jared but his article yesterday, which I read, seemed appreciative of Zig. I now learn he's donated significant chunks of money to them. This entire article is publicly and personally attacking him for choosing a different product. It's insane to me that Andrew thinks this post will somehow exonerate Zig when it really just makes them look chil…

I almost completely disagree. Unprofessional? Maybe a little, but honest, and while the truth isn't flattering to Jarred, I'd say generally kind. Embarrassing? Not from my seat. Andrew is just revealing the relationship dynamics between a principled programming language developers and pragmatic business users of that language. I had already inferred a bunch that this post confirms based on the agentic port from forke…

How is it kind to imply that by not going to university, Jarred was too stupid to think critically about his own path in life? Or just this in its entirety: "Jarred was a stinky manager. Poor communication, unrealistic expectations, low empathy, no experience. Just a total shit show, from an employment perspective."

We have very different ideas about what kindness looks like. Honesty and rudeness are not synonyms.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by snickerzoo » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:20 PM UTC

Andrew Kelly be like "You give major beginner energy, you're a bad manager, your code is trash and I was soo happy when you left" and then ends with "this is not personal criticism BTW"

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by manish_gill » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:20 PM UTC

Why are we so eager to dismiss the very personal experiences of Andrew - someone who envisioned and developed Zig from the ground up? It is entirely within the realm of possibility that what he describes here did transpire. He had bad experiences with one of the more popular projects within the ecosystem - something that he hoped would become successful but the incentives were clearly misaligned.

When in doubt - look at the incentives. And the incentives here are fairly obvious. On one hand we have an open source project that is focused on quality and craftsmanship, and on the other hand we have the world's biggest AI company.

I am not anti-AI. But things like taste and quality matter. And I trust the creator of Zig more than the creator of Bun when it comes to said taste.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by miyoji » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:21 PM UTC

ribelo wrote: post #221

grahar64 wrote: post #127

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Like Linus?

Linus attacked bad software, Andrew attacks the Thiel Fellowship, VC Foundings, and AI. There's little or no Linus there, pointing fingers at, and even when he does, he points at code he neither uses nor maintains. Linus don't give a shit about other people projects and businesses.

> Linus attacked bad software

"Nvidia, fuck you!"

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4SWxWIOVBM

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by miyoji » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:21 PM UTC

andrew_ wrote: post #113

orangeisthe wrote: post #80

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what's the problem in moving to codeberg?

the loss of network effect.

I have never once in my life cared about where a programming language kept its source and I think if anyone is using that as a basis for decision-making, they are truly a moron.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by phoronixrly » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:22 PM UTC

Havoc wrote: post #82

> Two, I actually don't have any personal criticisms of Jarred That’s quite a statement to make at the end of a post that seems to contain little else…all just thinly veiled. Saying someone has „beginner energy“ but reframing it as a faux positive (this person fails and thus learns) Or saying the grapevine says someone is a „stinky manager“? Basically I’m not saying this person is bad it’s just that I need to bring u…

Beginner energy is faux? I relish my beginner energy in all my side projects - I fail and learn. This is completely normal when done safely and without people depending on you. Unlike management.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by miyoji » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:24 PM UTC

fourseventy wrote: post #282

vitorfblima wrote: post #250

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I'm quite confused by this. Is calling someone a "stinky manager" a personal attack? It's funny that we can't differentiate the person from his "job". I work with some shitty managers, but I don't hold it against them on a personal level...

Are you serious? If I told you to your face "you are shitty at your job" you don't see that as a personal attack?

It depends on what job you're talking about. I've definitely been shitty at several that I've had in my life, if you're talking about those I would simply agree with you.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by surajrmal » Thu, Jul 09, 2026, 2:25 PM UTC

orangedog wrote: post #288

nesarkvechnep wrote: post #178

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In what way the article convinced you that Andrew Kelley is not professional enough for a serious project like Zig? Isn't his contribution to the language what's important?

He's leading the community. Not having basic professional does indeed kill them vibe for some of us. When is he going to pile on somebody else he disagrees with?

The open source community is built up by many project leaders with unprofessional attitudes. Honestly I think a younger version of myself would have resonated with the post. I'm almost certain there are many folks who will see the post as a net positive for addressing the bun rewrite. Zig is full of people who think they are strong enough engineers to avoid needing tools to solve issues for them and the post largely says that bun was written by weak engineers and they were to blame for its problems which will resonate with the community.