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John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Re: John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Post by alnwlsn »

de6u99er wrote: post #69
Cider9986 wrote: post #16

Shout out to Louis Rossmann for doing a ton of work on Right to repair. He started a website called Consumer Rights Wiki to document anti-consumer practices. https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page He's also involved with FULU Foundation which has a bounty of 25k to get Ring cameras working without Amazon's servers. https://bounties.fulu.org/bounties/ring-video-doorbells

Wouldn't it be easier to build an open hardware/source alternative to Ring cameras.

The other home security camera companies already make cameras in a doorbell form factor.

Point is to do what you want with the hardware you supposedly "own".

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Post by sneakymichael »

wickedsight wrote: post #151
cgyvbunji wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I think if he did that people wouldn't pay attention. My experience is that when you complain to people about digital rights they just glaze over unless you walk them through all the ins and outs and the implications.

I'm one of the people who mostly ignores his videos due to their length and the 'old man angry ranting about things' vibe they give me.

Ditto. I love his ideology, and have watched a few of his videos over the years, but his lengthy roundabout style of delivery doesn't keep me engaged.

Super glad he does what he does / is who he is though.

Re: John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Post by naikrovek »

taurath wrote: post #6

> Deere must pay $1 million collectively to the five states for antitrust enforcement costs and will be subject to strict compliance oversight for the next 10 years. $1 million fine for probably $10 billion in profit. I know what lesson I'd learn if my only personal value was maximizing shareholder value. The compliance part can be dealt with later.

there has not been $10B in profit solely or partially because of a lack of a right to repair. There's no way.

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Post by sneakymichael »

bombcar wrote: post #207
gosub100 wrote: post #184

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Posting here for anyone who might not know this: you can click and hold on most YouTube videos and they will play at 2x. I find that to be a good test at whether the host is communicating effectively. If I can understand them perfectly clear at 2X they are talking too slowly.

Then you get things like the ATP (I can't bring myself to say ATP podcast because La Brea Tar Pits and all that) where two hosts are fine at 1.5x and the third becomes a chipmunk. Maybe they can make Overcast have dynamic speed based on speaker.

Who of the three do you feel speaks much faster naturally?

Re: John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Post by ImHereToVote »

maldev wrote: post #108
Cider9986 wrote: post #16

Shout out to Louis Rossmann for doing a ton of work on Right to repair. He started a website called Consumer Rights Wiki to document anti-consumer practices. https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page He's also involved with FULU Foundation which has a bounty of 25k to get Ring cameras working without Amazon's servers. https://bounties.fulu.org/bounties/ring-video-doorbells

I wish he wasn’t such an ass. Had a never meet your heroes moment outside defcon a few years ago. Not a friendly person and went from big fan to disdain when I hear his name.

"I wish he wasn’t such an ass."

What did he to you to give off that impression?

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Post by darksim905 »

Manuel_D wrote: post #94
hatsix wrote: post #22

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Right to repair doesn't change any of that. Farmers were adjusting that screw anyways, that was the entire point. I'm not mad at farmers for doing it, I'm mad at John Deere at cheating the system.

The point is that when the firmware was locked down, it was vastly more difficult to bypass emissions restrictions. I'm not sure what you mean when you say John Deere was cheating the system. Arguably they were taking compliance more strictly before this ruling.

posit: are these considered 'road vehicles' in the same way that a car is?

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Post by PatronBernard »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #164
Balgair wrote: post #113

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I think it's a trait with these types that makes them what they are to begin with. They don't just turn it on and off for the bad guys, they're like this all the time with everyone. Never meet your heroes is just great advice, same as it ever was.

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Elon Musk, that talentless neonazi, is your hero?

Re: John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

MisterMower wrote: post #136

Fifty years ago the average guy buying a tractor had a family farm with a few hundred acres. Equipment was smaller and had less frills because the John Deeres of the world were catering to those small time customers. There were a lot of them. Those small time farms mostly don’t exist anymore. Today farming is done on an industrial scale, and equipment manufacturers are catering to the big players. They need big, effi…

It can be in their interest if their model assumes certain revenue from sales and service.

Most brands of cars can be repaired by independent technicians. Toyotas are more valuable because they are reliable -- because they are repaired less often.

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Post by mitkebes »

darksim905 wrote: post #213
wojciii wrote: post #110

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I ignore video posts. Why would I spend 20 minutes watching something when I can read the same in one or two minutes? I read inhumanely fast.

That may be so, but are you skimming, or actually retaining the the things you care about? Video can have a lot more impact and staying power when it comes to things that matter in this context.

For me personally, I retain much less information from video vs reading it.

For text, I change my reading speed based on comprehension, going faster for things I know, and slower or rereading for things that are new or complicated. For video, you're expected to consume the info at the rate provided in the video, losing attention when they spend too long on info you're already finished with, and then blowing by other info that I want to spend more time considering.

There are options like adjusting video playback speed and rewinding, but that's not how video is typically consumed and is much less convenient than just altering your reading speed.

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Post by Grombobulous »

true_religion wrote: post #116
koolba wrote: post #65

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> Fines should really be about "what size fine will be a deterrent for this company?" To a degree. But it also has to be commensurate to the actual market size and impact. If an Amazon releases a defective dog toy that is bought by 10 people, it’d be unreasonable to fine them $100 billion dollars just because they’re a huge company.

Fines are strictly punitive. The only goal of the fine is to change behavior, not to be 'fair'. It's true that the fines differ per the act, but that's only because the act itself determines how much people would desire to continue it despite a deterrent. The fine for jaywalking is less than the fine for speeding because (a) society doesn't want to stop jaywalking as desperately and (b) even a small fine of $25 will…

So with punitive damages it’s still only 2% of John Deere’s 2025 profit.

Not revenue, profit.

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