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Re: Most lives are lived by default

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After graduating with an engineering degree in a field I enjoy, and taking my first job, I soon began asking myself what's next. I grew up alongside many kids whose parents funneled them into the typical "dream careers": doctor, lawyer, finance (and other people who got there on their own). After quickly hitting my head on the (relatively low) glass ceiling, I wondered if I hadn't missed out on huge opportunities in…

It's better to be happy than not happy. Rich/not is something different. I know many people in varying degrees along that scale and their happiness does not seem to be correlated to their wealth. Many in the lower end of the scale believe their happiness is tied to it, though.

When you say that happiness does not seem to be correlated to wealth do you mean that having a larger salary does not seem to be correlated to wealth or that having a more savings/less debt (to some extent this is two scales, to some extent it is one scale) does not seem to be correlated to wealth.

I find it hard to think of someone whose annual income is in the 200k+ range but who is in massive debt as rich or wealthy. Similarly, someone whose annual income is below 50k but who has no debt, owns their own home free and clear and has massive savings could easily be thought of as wealthy. Of course, "massive" when talking about money is relative to income and debt/savings are likely to be orthogonal to happiness to a large extent. With regards to money and happiness, I think the Micawber principle states it best: "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

Re: Most lives are lived by default

#92
post #25

At age 27 after working as a Software Engineer since graduating, I could see the writing on the wall. I was "Jamie" as described in this article. I made a conscious decision right then to turn off the "Life autopilot switch" as I call it. I quit my good job, sold all my stuff, and spent 2 years driving 65,000km from Alaska to Argentina in my little 2 door Jeep. It was a life changing experience, and I was shocked whe…

I'm about your age and I did the same thing in my early 20's. I chose the Marine Corps instead of college as my way out. After, I still didn't have enough so I chose adventures, sold everything, kept nothing to continually indulge in my wanderlust instead of sitting in a cube. But... And I say this with as much love as I can muster to a stranger that I see as a kindred spirit. But... What did you find at the end? Was…

Thanks for your post, it literally gave me goosebumps.

> Ordered society will succumb to chaos and nothing will be done. There will be no roads for you to travel, no places for you to tour, no joy for you to find.

I'm a guy in his early 30s, recently separated, living in a rented studio, with only a laptop, a few books and a plasma TV (for watching sports from time to time). That's it, but I don't care, as long as I can earn my living, earning a salary, getting me through life.

Yes, I'm happy because I can afford paying bills with money earned through my work (I still hate the bills per se, though :) ). My model is my peasant grand-mother, now almost aged 85, who has worked for each day of her adult life (she got married at 17). She only once went on a trip/tourism thingie to the mountains that she can see from her backyard. She hated the whole thing :) because that meant that while she was on the trip with my grand-father work would not get done back at home. When I last spoke with her she was upset that her body was feeling more and more weak, and that prevented her from working (feeding the cows, doing stuff around the home etc.).

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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post #80

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It's an alternative spelling in German, sorry for the confusion. "Google could not find that quote in any translation for Meditations" That's because I translated it into English from a German translation of Meditations ^^ here's the same thing without that extra step: http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_aurelius_bkvii... If therefore it be a thing external that causes thy grief, know, that it is not that p…

Thank you for the education. Is dropping the ius/us (I forget the term high school latin was a long time ago) a common way of translating roman names to german?

To be perfectly honest I don't know.. I had latin as well, but I gleefully forgot most of it :)

Re: Most lives are lived by default

#94
post #64

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Who is Marc Aurel? I found one link making it seem that "Marc Aurel" was actually "Marcus Aurelius" and had a citation referencing Meditations. But google could not find that quote in any translation for Meditations. The "that's Marc Aurel for ya" makes it seem that he is a well known writer/thinker so maybe I am way off base thinking its Marcus Aurelius.

It's an alternative spelling in German, sorry for the confusion. "Google could not find that quote in any translation for Meditations" That's because I translated it into English from a German translation of Meditations ^^ here's the same thing without that extra step: http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_aurelius_bkvii... If therefore it be a thing external that causes thy grief, know, that it is not that p…

Thank you for your translation -- the project of personal translations of great words is one of my favourites, despite the risks of misrepresenting. It is not enough to be accurate, one should seek also to be a poet.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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It's amazing how defensive some of these posts are because the poster has chosen to live a life by default.

I once thought I wanted to climb the corporate ladder, to buy stuff, toys. More, more, more...

I made my way into software management back in 2008. I was absolutely miserable. The routine, wake up to an alarm, get ready, run to work, work on someone else's ideas, have to listen to someone tell me what to do. When I got home, I had no energy to work on my own stuff. Work, had stolen all my will power and mental energy. I consoled myself, by losing myself in movies and games, drinking.

Then in 2009, I was so miserable I deliberately worked to get terminated with severance. I was successful. The evening I was fired I was so happy. I was set for 1 year. I moved from L.A. to San Francisco.

Got an apartment, and started learning all of adobe's tools (my friend got me a free copy of their top suite, he worked there). I experimented with many different compression algorithm techniques, I worked on neural networks. Then after 9 months, and the money running out I took a trip to Budapest Hungary for 1 month to learn how to make bespoke shoes. I had never in my life been so happy. I discovered that I hate working for other people, hate it, absolutely hate it, I'd rather live on the street.

I got back and found a startup where I could make great money, knowing I would quit at the end of one year. And like clockwork, after the initial enjoyment of doing something new, getting to write firmware which was something new, it was time to get out. This time, knowing I was quitting made all the difference, I didn't get burned out. I wasn't angry. A couple months later an opportunity arose to do some consulting, 2 months in and I was set. I doubled my income and got to walk away. 6 months later and the original manager quit, they needed someone to come in and rescue them, I showed up. Charged twice what I've ever made. The money was awesome, I paid off a second mortgage ($60k). I saved $100k after tax. After 8 months, couldn't take it anymore.

But this time I had a plan, it was time to start my own company, where I am the boss, where I can eventually get to the point where I hire other people to do all the work and I draw income from a business that doesn't consume my life.

I'm 2 months in on my first company product, it's hard work, but it doesn't feel like work. I am my own boss, I decide what is important, I don't interrupt myself with stupid inefficient task switching, there are no office politics, I don't have to listen to the 'normies' and their pathetic existence as they skate through life anesthetized.

I love the uncertainty, I thrive on it. To have a predictable mundane life is walking death. To actually have complete control over my own success and failure is invigorating. I have 22 months left of runway, and if it fails? So what, I can always pick up a temporary consulting gig. The experience I am learning now is making me far more valuable than being an employee ever will.

Some key things I learned, which made this possible:

1) eliminate anyone and everyone negative in my life: friends, family... anyone.

2) stop hanging around people who espouse and vigorously defend the "normal" lifestyle

3) surround myself with positive and also like minded individuals

4) take pleasure in simple things, cooking a good meal, reading an interesting book, going for a bike ride, accomplishing a small milestone.

5) Eliminate debt, do I really need that fancy car? (unless I can pay cash)

6) I got rid of my tv, don't miss it for a second, it just wastes my time

7) Got my living expenses down really low, yet I'm living the richest life I've ever had.

8) Free time to cook, allowed me to discover that I have a severe gluten intolerance. Doctor's never figured it out, just told me I was "depressed", that I needed to eat more fiber (which is gluten). Since I had eaten gluten almost every single meal my entire life there was no gap to discover how much better I felt. This would never, ever have happened if I had kept a regular M-F job. I never had time to cook semolina pizza dough, muffins, cakes and eat so much that the 1-1 correlation between what I was eating and how I felt clicked.

9) Don't fear change, embrace it

10) It's easy to make new friends

11) I'm actually an extrovert, it's the people I was surrounded with my whole life that made me seem like an introvert, I just didn't want to interact with them.

12) Stop caring what other people think, what makes them happy might make me miserable (one man's heaven is another man's hell)

13) Be happy so many people choose to take the easy way out, on cruise control. It makes it so much easier to be successful myself with so little competition.

14) Be a source for anyone who is also trying to figure out who they are and what they really want to do.

15) Stop trying to give people advice when it is unwanted.

16) Life is about the journey, not the destination. SOMEDAY STARTS NOW!

* anyone offended please feel free to skip my message, it's not for everyone. My way is not for everyone, it is not a 'universal right way'. But it is most definitely the right way for me, and for any lost souls out there (which I once was). I hope that this post may make them think, think about how to change their life for the better too.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

#96

I don't like the premise that happiness is based on what you have, and what you do with your time. It always seems to be the underlying assumption, and it drives people to be unhappy to always be striving for better conditions for themselves. What gave me happiness is the idea in Buddhism fostering compassion for all people, including yourself, but not only yourself. It's the one aspect of Buddhism that most people i…

There are many roads to compassion. Someone who focuses on compassion can be a very twisted being, in the same way someone trying to quiet their mind can be very noisy.

But, overall, I agree. Facing oneself and seeing the world as opportunity for love, joy, and compassion makes for a rich life.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

#98
post #25

At age 27 after working as a Software Engineer since graduating, I could see the writing on the wall. I was "Jamie" as described in this article. I made a conscious decision right then to turn off the "Life autopilot switch" as I call it. I quit my good job, sold all my stuff, and spent 2 years driving 65,000km from Alaska to Argentina in my little 2 door Jeep. It was a life changing experience, and I was shocked whe…

I'm about your age and I did the same thing in my early 20's. I chose the Marine Corps instead of college as my way out. After, I still didn't have enough so I chose adventures, sold everything, kept nothing to continually indulge in my wanderlust instead of sitting in a cube. But... And I say this with as much love as I can muster to a stranger that I see as a kindred spirit. But... What did you find at the end? Was…

> What did you find at the end?

The journey is the reward.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard recently that there is a new translation which is rather good for the modern reader. ( http://www.amazon.com/The-Emperors-Handbook-Translation-Medi... ) I think I heard about it on the excellent "History of Philosophy: Without Any Gaps" podcast, but I'm not certain of that. It can seem silly to spend money when you can get the ideas for free, on the other hand, the style of translation can easily get in the w…

Ah, this is the exact copy I ordered, this is good to know. Personally, I prefer to spend a small sum to own a physical copy of the book - I'm a bit old fashioned in that way.

I'm similarly old fashioned, only now I'm moving house again, and regretting the half a tonne of books I'll have to lug around.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

#100

A friend once told me, "You should try going with the flow once in a while." She was absolutely right. Yes, many people could improve their situation by not sleepwalking through life. But similarly, we (people on HN and other ambitious folks) can learn to be more content with what life has given us. To reconcile ourselves with randomness. To take some time away from competition and drive and optimization. Perhaps I'm…

Extremes at either end are bad. Somehow the majority of HN hasn't figured this out.

That doesn't seem correct either. Extremes at either end are where entrepreneurs tend to live. Most people have to be willing to be poor, lose everything, and fail miserably in order to have a chance to be rich and live the life they want.

This life obviously doesn't appeal to everyone, and many entrepreneurs manage to keep a balanced life. But at some point they'll get outmaneuvered by the ones who move faster and just want it more (and are willing to take the chance of flaming out in a big way).

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