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John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Re: John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Post by darksim905 »

srejk wrote: post #67
Cider9986 wrote: post #16

Shout out to Louis Rossmann for doing a ton of work on Right to repair. He started a website called Consumer Rights Wiki to document anti-consumer practices. https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page He's also involved with FULU Foundation which has a bounty of 25k to get Ring cameras working without Amazon's servers. https://bounties.fulu.org/bounties/ring-video-doorbells

I appreciate everything he stands for - he's on the right side of just about every issue. I just wish he could make more succinct and effective videos.

You really want more succinct videos than what he already makes? Although they may seem long in a modern day where people have the attention span of a gnat -- his videos are fantastic and to the point. He literally ignores a lot more complexities and drama surrounding a lot of issues. Does he ramble sometimes? Maybe, but the talks so fast at times that the video is over before I've even gotten half way through with my own research. And this is from someone who has followed him since he posted videos on spinning on your own VoIP server and when he was still based in NYC.

Re: John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Post by letmeinhere »

de6u99er wrote: post #69
Cider9986 wrote: post #16

Shout out to Louis Rossmann for doing a ton of work on Right to repair. He started a website called Consumer Rights Wiki to document anti-consumer practices. https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page He's also involved with FULU Foundation which has a bounty of 25k to get Ring cameras working without Amazon's servers. https://bounties.fulu.org/bounties/ring-video-doorbells

Wouldn't it be easier to build an open hardware/source alternative to Ring cameras.

Design and manufacture open hardware for 25k?

Re: John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Post by darksim905 »

wojciii wrote: post #110
throw2ih020 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN audience prefers text to video; videos rarely do well here compared to other sites.

I ignore video posts. Why would I spend 20 minutes watching something when I can read the same in one or two minutes? I read inhumanely fast.

That may be so, but are you skimming, or actually retaining the the things you care about? Video can have a lot more impact and staying power when it comes to things that matter in this context.

Re: John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Post by officeplant »

bigfudge wrote: post #133
acters wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest loss to them is the right to repair stuff. They will be still making it exceptionally difficult to repair their stuff, and might even dip into exotic materials to make cheaper parts fail more often, but this is a bigger loss to them in the long run. Unfortunately, I hate that they got away with such a low AF fine.

Can someone explain to me why any farmer buys JD? It seems like $1000 oil filters is something farmers would notice and talk about in that community?

I used to live down the road from a John Deere plant and some of that was just local loyalty and belief in the jobs it created. Or old habits and brand loyalty dying hard.

Our family had ford tractors, ford mowers, and ford trucks until enough pain points added up to cause a change. Now they haven't bought a ford in over 40 years.

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Post by darksim905 »

maldev wrote: post #108
Cider9986 wrote: post #16

Shout out to Louis Rossmann for doing a ton of work on Right to repair. He started a website called Consumer Rights Wiki to document anti-consumer practices. https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page He's also involved with FULU Foundation which has a bounty of 25k to get Ring cameras working without Amazon's servers. https://bounties.fulu.org/bounties/ring-video-doorbells

I wish he wasn’t such an ass. Had a never meet your heroes moment outside defcon a few years ago. Not a friendly person and went from big fan to disdain when I hear his name.

Not to be rude, but what explicitly, made him an ass from your perspective?

Look at it from his standpoint. He has an untold amount of people vying for his attention, comments that hopefully are managed by a 3rd party/other folks, and who knows quantity of people contacting him with ideas for a story, video, or some such. I don't even know if he still even runs or manages his repair business at all at this point. When you combine all those things, you end up getting into a mindset of filtering out what matters to you and/or others very quickly and having little time for much else especially if people wax on and are not good at getting to the point.

I get that HN isn't Reddit in the sense that you don't see long form comments like this, but I've dealt with this a lot in the Information Security industry. I think that's what may separate people who get shit done from infosec rockstars and other folks who talk a big talk, but when you get to know them, they are deep down, jerks. I could share my own stories of Deviant Ollam, JohnnyXm4s or other individuals -- but how much of that is my own bias and frustration with what I did, or did not get when interacting with those people? It does not make them assholes just because I did not get the experience I expected.

Re: John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Post by WarmWash »

atoav wrote: post #125
WarmWash wrote: post #71

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Well, then there also must not be much relevance between lax guns laws and school shooters? I get what you are (trying) to say, but lets be real here. Right to repair people (myself included) just need to own that it will have some downsides.

If you want people not to have out of spec tractors that is a regulation and oversight issue, not an issue of locking down tech. Right to repair argues the tech should not be locked down, it doesn't argue you should be free to break the law. You are also free to remove the handrails on a set of stairs using a simple wrench, but if a building inspector shows up or someone falls because of it there will likely be conse…

>Own a gun? No you don't unless you store it correctly and have documentation of ammunition spent etc.

So we will have right to repair but it's only legal if you document all repairs, keep records of parts ordered, only use verified vendors for those parts....etc etc. Right to repair laws shouldn't be onerous, and people should be able to (illegally) remove emissions controls, and we should recognize that as a bad thing that comes with the territory.

Don't freak out, things have downsides, it's actually admirable to be able to handle nuance, own it.

Re: John Deere owners will get the right to repair equipment under FTC settlement

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Post by darksim905 »

gosub100 wrote: post #185
maldev wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish he wasn’t such an ass. Had a never meet your heroes moment outside defcon a few years ago. Not a friendly person and went from big fan to disdain when I hear his name.

I've never met him just can't stand how bitterly angry he is / appears to be. He has the anger of someone who is recovering from a beating and plotting his revenge. I don't know if that's how he is normally, or a result of getting thrust into this right to repair. But I'm not going to spend my time watching a jaded, pissed off guy.

It is very easy to confuse intense passion with anger and blind rage.

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Post by bluGill »

bigfudge wrote: post #133
acters wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest loss to them is the right to repair stuff. They will be still making it exceptionally difficult to repair their stuff, and might even dip into exotic materials to make cheaper parts fail more often, but this is a bigger loss to them in the long run. Unfortunately, I hate that they got away with such a low AF fine.

Can someone explain to me why any farmer buys JD? It seems like $1000 oil filters is something farmers would notice and talk about in that community?

Deere employee, but speaking for myself, not the company.

Farmers buy Deere because they are the most repairable. The dealer is just down the road, and has the parts that you need. The things you cannot do yourself are things that farmers think "I wouldn't do that anyway".

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Post by bookofjoe »

spacedcowboy wrote: post #155
throw2ih020 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN audience prefers text to video; videos rarely do well here compared to other sites.

This. I never watch video posts. I can skim-read a text site in seconds to see if it's worth a real read. I can't do that with video, and there's always some ads in it, whether the author put them there or not. I hate ads. And it's not just HN either, video is a very poor substitute for a well written article. Video can augment a well-written article, but it can't replace it.

Put podcasts in this category.
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