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Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

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Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

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Post by ponector »

overgard wrote: post #27

This is already a clusterfuck, but it's going to be so much worse in 10 years. We're going to have an entire generation trapped in the gig economy because their education is going to be considered worthless, and even if it wasn't worthless, there won't be enough entry level jobs for anyone to get into. Senior people will age out and our entire society is just going to be hollowed out. And people wonder why I'm an AI…

But education is almost worthless now already. Nowadays pretty much everyone has a degree and then couldn't find a job and lucking real skills and experience. Ai is not a cause, it will simply speed up the degradation of the system.

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

#102

Post by rbanffy »

yamillove wrote: post #97
rbanffy wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That’s why America is the Greatest Country on Earth, ever You forgot the sarcasm tag.

Well, it’s the country that most people who leave their country risk their lives to move to. So at least most immigrants on earth agree with me.

If I were to nitpick, I would say that they try to move to a idealised version of the US that never quite existed. This romanticised version has been pervasively depicted in mass consumption media for many decades.

More meaningful perhaps would be to count the immigrants from developed countries and immigrants that earn above the median in their respective countries and/or go to the US and earn above the American median.

There are a lot of desperate people in the world right now who’ll take extreme action to escape their immediate predicaments, such as risking a Mediterranean crossing from Northern Africa to Europe.

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

#103

Post by sorum »

jimmygrapes wrote: post #44
martythemaniak wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I clicked expecting Bane Proctoring, where Bane monitors your exam and if he catches you cheating...

it would be extremely painful ... I'm sorry I couldn't help it

…for you

(sorry, old Internet forum reflexes activated)

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

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Post by UncleMeat »

wuschel wrote: post #94
overgard wrote: post #27

This is already a clusterfuck, but it's going to be so much worse in 10 years. We're going to have an entire generation trapped in the gig economy because their education is going to be considered worthless, and even if it wasn't worthless, there won't be enough entry level jobs for anyone to get into. Senior people will age out and our entire society is just going to be hollowed out. And people wonder why I'm an AI…

Depends. Oral examninations will be more important as a test of skill now. During my university time, all main exams were oral examinations: One professor, one protocol keeper, and the student. Duration: 1-2 hours.

Doing that for a class of 30is already a huge chore. Now do a class of 150.

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

#106

Post by franktankbank »

ponector wrote: post #101
overgard wrote: post #27

This is already a clusterfuck, but it's going to be so much worse in 10 years. We're going to have an entire generation trapped in the gig economy because their education is going to be considered worthless, and even if it wasn't worthless, there won't be enough entry level jobs for anyone to get into. Senior people will age out and our entire society is just going to be hollowed out. And people wonder why I'm an AI…

But education is almost worthless now already. Nowadays pretty much everyone has a degree and then couldn't find a job and lucking real skills and experience. Ai is not a cause, it will simply speed up the degradation of the system.

Probably should just import more labor I guess

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

#107

Post by franktankbank »

tmsh wrote: post #84

Disallowing the use of AI is basically the modern equivalent of testing based on memorization. It is a laziness to find something more useful to evaluate on or an inability to distinguish real understanding in a field from first level understanding. Professors need to step up and teach value beyond what LLMs know (very possible with or without LLMS). Or get out of the way from those building on the field with LLMs. I…

LLMs don't know anything.

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

#108

Post by malfist »

ponector wrote: post #101
overgard wrote: post #27

This is already a clusterfuck, but it's going to be so much worse in 10 years. We're going to have an entire generation trapped in the gig economy because their education is going to be considered worthless, and even if it wasn't worthless, there won't be enough entry level jobs for anyone to get into. Senior people will age out and our entire society is just going to be hollowed out. And people wonder why I'm an AI…

But education is almost worthless now already. Nowadays pretty much everyone has a degree and then couldn't find a job and lucking real skills and experience. Ai is not a cause, it will simply speed up the degradation of the system.

> Nowadays pretty much everyone has a degree and then couldn't find a job

The unemployment rate in the US is 3.7%. 38% of adults in the US have a college degree. 38% is hardly everyone, and if nobody can find a job, then the unemployment rate should be far higher than 3.7%, which is basically full employment.

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

#109

Post by overgard »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #88
overgard wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I think there are a lot of problems created by capitalism right now, I would argue that nothing about the current AI industry is actually capitalist at all. These are companies that are surviving despite absolutely bleeding cash because the ultra-rich have decided that things would be so much more convenient for them if they didn't need to deal with employees anymore. This isn't "well, people are doing this bec…

> I would argue that nothing about the current AI industry is actually capitalist at all. What? Where do you think all of the capital they are burning to stay afloat comes from? I'll give you a hint, it's from the capitalists . The ideal of capitalism is that optimizing for profits means growth. But the fundamentals of capitalism means that, since capitalists own the means of productions, they can do whatever they wa…

So like, remember in 2008 when we had to bail out the major banks because they had failed so hard -- but for the common person it was "oh, well, you made a bad decision so tough luck, we're taking your house." In that case it was socialism for the big companies (where do you think the bailout money came from?), harsh capitalism for everyone else.

It's the same thing with AI right now. Oh, you guys need another trillion to burn and you have no plan for profitability? Here's a blank check! Oh, your job is going to be eliminated and we have no coherent answer for what you should do next, because we want to take that job too? Not our problem.

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

#110

Post by ryandvm »

overgard wrote: post #27

This is already a clusterfuck, but it's going to be so much worse in 10 years. We're going to have an entire generation trapped in the gig economy because their education is going to be considered worthless, and even if it wasn't worthless, there won't be enough entry level jobs for anyone to get into. Senior people will age out and our entire society is just going to be hollowed out. And people wonder why I'm an AI…

Yup. You can either A) ban AI (good luck) and teach students to understand CS fundamentals deeply - which will of course make them totally unsuitable for an industry that is demanding tokenmaxxing from every engineer; or B) embrace AI at the university and produce students that are nothing more than prompt "engineers".
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