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My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by cyber1 »

Tiberium wrote: post #20
cyber1 wrote: post #14

To me, this whole effort of rewriting Bun from Zig to Rust looks like a big marketing move. The question is: if Anthropic AI is really that powerful, why not just fix the bugs and give it the more ambitious task of redesigning the existing Bun Zig codebase in a way that eliminates not only the current bugs but also prevents similar ones from happening in the future?

But Rust is exactly the tooling that gives humans and LLMs a lot of those checks for free, and things like RAII.

If you use Rust the way it was designed to be used, rather than relying on countless "unsafe" blocks, you need to redesign the entire codebase architecture to make it compatible with the borrow checker rules.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by szmarczak »

fukaiall wrote: post #17
nilirl wrote: post #6

> I actually don't have any personal criticisms of Jarred The whole post felt like a personal criticism of Jarred.

[flagged]

> Jarred was already writing slop well before he had access to LLMs.

I don't see anything business related in that statement.

What's this new level of gaslighting? "It was not because of me, but because of the business situation I was in". Wait... wasn't he in that "business situation" because of actions HE took?

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by rao-v »

cyber1 wrote: post #14

To me, this whole effort of rewriting Bun from Zig to Rust looks like a big marketing move. The question is: if Anthropic AI is really that powerful, why not just fix the bugs and give it the more ambitious task of redesigning the existing Bun Zig codebase in a way that eliminates not only the current bugs but also prevents similar ones from happening in the future?

I do wonder to what degree this weird play originated from Anthropic, versus from an overeager founder selling past the close.

I can imagine Anthropic wanting to acquire Bun without the gimmicks.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by embedding-shape »

cyber1 wrote: post #22
advenn wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

zig doesn't accept ai written code

How is Bun codebase connected to Zig codebase?

Rumor has it there is a HN submission on the frontpage right now about that very thing:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48843352

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by cyber1 »

Tiberium wrote: post #25
cyber1 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Bun codebase connected to Zig codebase?

You can't do "redesigning the existing Zig code in a way that eliminates not only the current bugs but also prevents similar ones from happening in the future" without actually changing Zig itself.

Why?

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by jorisw »

rao-v wrote: post #35
cyber1 wrote: post #14

To me, this whole effort of rewriting Bun from Zig to Rust looks like a big marketing move. The question is: if Anthropic AI is really that powerful, why not just fix the bugs and give it the more ambitious task of redesigning the existing Bun Zig codebase in a way that eliminates not only the current bugs but also prevents similar ones from happening in the future?

I do wonder to what degree this weird play originated from Anthropic, versus from an overeager founder selling past the close. I can imagine Anthropic wanting to acquire Bun without the gimmicks.

IMHO 'marketing' as a supposed incentive is too easily thrown around by people who probably don't know what marketing really is.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by hazn »

Despite stated otherwise in the post, this is a personal attack.

Anyway, let's try to discuss something more technical: I predict Zig will lose steam, and in 2027, will lose relevance:

1) It's hardcore Anti-AI 2) It's moved to Codeberg 3) It doesn't have the momentum to sustain the disadvantages of these two decisions

The project will in max 2 years make a blog post, not admitting to their mistakes, telling themselves that Zig is a success, despite the industry having moved on.

Re: My thoughts on the Bun Rust rewrite

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Post by whimsicalism »

7barcherry wrote: post #34
whimsicalism wrote: post #23

Anyone who would write an article like this is much more distasteful to me than anything Jarred did.

Why? I think the original blog post, which he is replying to, demands a reply. Its a breath of fresh air to get this whole debate out in the open

I do not think the original blog post demands a reply. Zig people have already written about this. I found the original blog post quite complimentary of Zig and the community.

It is challenging for me to imagine how one would think an article like this is net beneficial for the community rather than reacting with grace.

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