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Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

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Post by rbanffy »

Drupon wrote: post #40
cm2012 wrote: post #29

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For most people, college is a box to check off. And individual classes are even more so.

The majority of people with this mindset should not go to college and should just get a trade job or manufacturing job like they did 100 years ago. People were like this a few decades ago as well when I got my degree. I didn't have consistently great classmates until honors and accelerated grad courses in my 3rd and 4th year, along with various domain specific student orgs like groups for hardware hacking, computer s…

> The majority of people with this mindset should not go to college and should just get a trade job or manufacturing job like they did 100 years ago

As long as this allows them to provide for themselves and their families, buying homes, and retiring the same way as someone who goes to college.

Going to college should not be something people do to escape abject poverty, but something you want to do to enrich your life and make yourself a better person.

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

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Post by rbanffy »

yamillove wrote: post #53
phist_mcgee wrote: post #50

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What an odd world view. Of course the priviliged have greater social obligations, because they are greater benefactors of life. We're all equal under the law but that doesn't mean that those with greater means shouldn't have greater impacts on society. Meritocracy is often a buzzword of the elite to avoid paying their fair share.

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> That’s why America is the Greatest Country on Earth, ever

You forgot the sarcasm tag.

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Post by soco »

palmotea wrote: post #82
piloto_ciego wrote: post #80

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I get that doom sense, but... I can't really see it happening because... well, people that have never truly been hungry are already frantically clacking at their keyboards with the slogan of "eat the rich!" I don't know what we get? But if this is the rhetoric now, how many Luigis would we expect to see as things got really bad, and the vision you paint is really bad.

The thing with AI and AI-enabled automation is that it may lead to a world where the rich don't need anyone else anymore. I could totally imagine things shaking out where the rich and everything important is so-well defended that even an army of Luigis is impotent. Also, after a couple assassinations of business leaders I think we'll see gun control laws like the US has never seen.

Took me a while to get rid of the mental image of an army of green moustached Luigis crowding a cartoon palace. But maybe it's not even such a bad image after all. Now where are the Marios when you need them?

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

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Post by wuschel »

overgard wrote: post #27

This is already a clusterfuck, but it's going to be so much worse in 10 years. We're going to have an entire generation trapped in the gig economy because their education is going to be considered worthless, and even if it wasn't worthless, there won't be enough entry level jobs for anyone to get into. Senior people will age out and our entire society is just going to be hollowed out. And people wonder why I'm an AI…

Depends. Oral examninations will be more important as a test of skill now.

During my university time, all main exams were oral examinations: One professor, one protocol keeper, and the student. Duration: 1-2 hours.

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Post by yamillove »

Natfan wrote: post #70
yamillove wrote: post #53

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citation needed on that last claim. do you have universal healthcare free at point of service? do you have a healthy supply of public housing? do you let children starve, through no fault of their own but the circumstances of their birth? do you engage is ears of choice and murder 100+ innocent children in a primary school on the first day of the conflict? the answer to some of these questions should be yes, and othe…

The greatest country on earth ever is that which most people of the world, if given a free plane ticket and permission to live in, would go to.

I don’t know how you find it controversial. It’s just a fact.

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Post by yamillove »

rbanffy wrote: post #92
yamillove wrote: post #53

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> That’s why America is the Greatest Country on Earth, ever You forgot the sarcasm tag.

Well, it’s the country that most people who leave their country risk their lives to move to. So at least most immigrants on earth agree with me.

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Post by yamillove »

Natfan wrote: post #71
yamillove wrote: post #53

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also the rich absolutely _do_ owe society at large something: taxes. a thing which, as you get richer, it apparently becomes optional due to financial engineering

There is a tax book. If you don’t take advantage of every possible option allowed by the thick book, then you are just dumb.

But if you are feeling more patriotic than you usually feel, may I remind you Uncle Sam accepts gifts at:

https://fiscal.treasury.gov/financing/gifts-to-government

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Post by otikik »

yamillove wrote: post #48
phist_mcgee wrote: post #43

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You owe society more than nothing, otherwise you end up with a sick society.

If you had read the whole sentence, you would have found a few other words, which say “just because you have privilege.” All men are created equal. Civic duties apply equally to everyone. Once people have met their legal obligations (say, paying taxes and obeying the law), any additional generosity is voluntary, not owed, so having more privilege does not automatically create greater moral obligations. Say, I am beau…

- And remember, Peter, with great power comes great responsibility

- No. It sucks for you. Sorry but that's life

(Uncle Ben dies sad)

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Post by sevenseacat »

yamillove wrote: post #53
phist_mcgee wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What an odd world view. Of course the priviliged have greater social obligations, because they are greater benefactors of life. We're all equal under the law but that doesn't mean that those with greater means shouldn't have greater impacts on society. Meritocracy is often a buzzword of the elite to avoid paying their fair share.

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> That’s why America is the Greatest Country on Earth, ever.

hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahahahahahhaahah

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