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I think I have LLM burnout

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Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by ssl-3 »

zahlman wrote: post #268
ssl-3 wrote: post #263

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Oh? I've been on the Internet for ~35 years. What did I miss?

My expectation is that you'd hear a lot more about "gated communities", "gatekeeping" etc. than any of the uses of gates that give warm fuzzies. (As a suffix, it's also associated with scandals; but that probably isn't relevant here.)

I was thinking about gated communities earlier today, in fact. We don't have many of them around here.

But where we do have them: At a given time, the gate might be open or closed; passable, or impassable. The presence of a gate is implicit, but the status of that gate is not known without advance knowledge or direct observation. And even when it is closed (even if it defaults to always being closed), there's generally a cromulent way for a person to get that gate to open and then move beyond it. It is designed to be opened and closed.

Gatekeeping: Sure. I've run across a ton of artificial gatekeepers online in my time. I've bypassed countless scores of them. Those are easy: Just ignore them and keep moving.

These aren't examples of the hard-blocking, impassable lava moats that the bot is fond of using "gate" to describe.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by [deleted] »

bdlowery wrote: post #131
ryandrake wrote: post #123

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> I don't think I have a "burnout", but LLMs are really exhausting due to amount of pressure they generate. No one is really pushing me to increase my workload, but at every moment there is always something ready, done by my clankers or clankers of other people that I could be unblocking. I see a different type of pressure: I'm at a company that still is requiring everyone use LLMs with token leaderboards, time-spent…

What work are you doing where an LLM can’t meaningfully contribute to your everyday work

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Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by jjav »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #104
dpc_01234 wrote: post #13

I don't think I have a "burnout", but LLMs are really exhausting due to amount of pressure they generate. No one is really pushing me to increase my workload, but at every moment there is always something ready, done by my clankers or clankers of other people that I could be unblocking. In the past (before LLMs) it was already hard to keep up, but now it feels like there's 10x more things waiting at any given time, a…

> done by my clankers or clankers of other people I'm getting so many requests to review LLM-generated documents - planning docs, docs intended for end-users, project docs, business plan docs. A team member sent me a zip file with about 30 LLM generated documents in it the other day and asked if I could review them right away. And a lot of it was just repetition and/or stuff that was just out of left field, made-up,…

> I'm getting so many requests to review LLM-generated documents

That's the other nightmare of AI slop. So easy to generate endless content. Who will review?

Just today the boss request I review slides for a presentation. But it's all AI slop, generated from querying tickets and docs and who knows what. It's mostly sort of correct but also plenty misleading and incorrect. So now I have to fact check all this slop which will take hours (even with my AI assistance) and rewrite most of it.

If AI didn't exist, he would've had to do the research to generate the content and it would be 99% correct and I could just give a few notes of feedback in 5 minutes. But with the asymmetric AI workload, he can generate it in 5 minutes and I get to spend 3 hours correcting.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by jjav »

Hilliard_Ohiooo wrote: post #147
dpc_01234 wrote: post #13

I don't think I have a "burnout", but LLMs are really exhausting due to amount of pressure they generate. No one is really pushing me to increase my workload, but at every moment there is always something ready, done by my clankers or clankers of other people that I could be unblocking. In the past (before LLMs) it was already hard to keep up, but now it feels like there's 10x more things waiting at any given time, a…

That ALL sounds horrible, is that really life in tech these days?

Yes. Run away if you can, run far away.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by sachamorard »

hoppp wrote: post #2

Tell the llm to answer like a cavemen, if llm talk like cavemen, the answers become shorter and more compressed. https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman It's for getting it to output shorter answers, but also could help with your burnout.

What does that have to do with the topic? Someone is sharing something serious on this thread, I don't see how your message helps.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by layer8 »

gitaarik wrote: post #224
layer8 wrote: post #219

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What’s interesting to me is reasoning about the problem and its implementation. And that doesn’t stop at any abstraction level. Reasoning in the small is just as important as reasoning in the large. And the issue with LLMs is that their capacity for sound reasoning is limited. They are sloppy on any level. You can’t get them to be thorough and dependable in reasoning , regardless of the abstraction level.

Well I think the reasoning of coding agents on lower levels is good enough for me that I don't have to constantly be involved with it, only occasionally have to dive in and help out.

I don’t think that the logical reasoning ability of LLMs depends on the abstraction level. Their heuristic knowledge differs between levels, but that’s a different thing. My concern is the reasoning capabilities.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by freefaler »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #104
dpc_01234 wrote: post #13

I don't think I have a "burnout", but LLMs are really exhausting due to amount of pressure they generate. No one is really pushing me to increase my workload, but at every moment there is always something ready, done by my clankers or clankers of other people that I could be unblocking. In the past (before LLMs) it was already hard to keep up, but now it feels like there's 10x more things waiting at any given time, a…

> done by my clankers or clankers of other people I'm getting so many requests to review LLM-generated documents - planning docs, docs intended for end-users, project docs, business plan docs. A team member sent me a zip file with about 30 LLM generated documents in it the other day and asked if I could review them right away. And a lot of it was just repetition and/or stuff that was just out of left field, made-up,…

I got this problem with my own employees, LLM are fine, but lazy slop is not permitted. Current idea is to have a clear "best practice" template for most of the research/specs/problem definition they submit and it reduced the slop to a manageable level. But this might work in a smaller company where the management is reading and is strict about these things.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by altairprime »

zahlman wrote: post #264
altairprime wrote: post #44

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Doesn't this require accreditation that most programmers wouldn't have?

6 terms left :D

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Post by gitaarik »

layer8 wrote: post #276
gitaarik wrote: post #224

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Well I think the reasoning of coding agents on lower levels is good enough for me that I don't have to constantly be involved with it, only occasionally have to dive in and help out.

I don’t think that the logical reasoning ability of LLMs depends on the abstraction level. Their heuristic knowledge differs between levels, but that’s a different thing. My concern is the reasoning capabilities.

And so you experience that AI generated code, even on lower levels, is not good enough for you to be more productive?
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