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I think I have LLM burnout

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Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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I’m experimenting with the following in my settings: “Look at the first letter of the prompt, and use the style of the matching literary stylist enumerated here: For English: A — W. H. Auden B — Bill Bryson C — Italo Calvino D — Joan Didion E — T. S. Eliot F — William Faulkner G — Gabriel García Márquez …” I certainly don’t see emojis any more.

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Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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" That's such a clever way to see things! Let's delve into that! " The bots (all of them) seem to show patterns of overuse of specific phrases, words, and punctuation. Some of those are the ones you mentioned. Another that I've been seeing lately is overuse of the term "gate", wherein: As a human, I know what a gate is. A gate is a thing that can be open, or that can be closed. It might be locked or unlocked. The pat…

I like the word "botspeak". Another example of typical botspeak is "smoke test". Why not just say "test"? It feels like a way of downplaying the ability to detect problems.

One thing I did recently with the bot definitely involved actual smoke tests, though: I was working with real hardware that can blow up in real ways, with the bot doing all of the circuit design work and coding based on my goals while I just distantly commanded the show from On-High and plugged shit into a breadboard.

(The project works well and I consider it to be Good Enough; I might go back and polish it more later. There was no smoke, but there could have been.)

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

" That's such a clever way to see things! Let's delve into that! " The bots (all of them) seem to show patterns of overuse of specific phrases, words, and punctuation. Some of those are the ones you mentioned. Another that I've been seeing lately is overuse of the term "gate", wherein: As a human, I know what a gate is. A gate is a thing that can be open, or that can be closed. It might be locked or unlocked. The pat…

This makes more sense if you think about the contexts in which people would talk about gates on the Internet, I dare say.

Oh?

I've been on the Internet for ~35 years. What did I miss?

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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This is legitimately the reason I'm looking to leave programming. I got into programming because the problems of programming were interesting to me. But if the problems go from "figure out why this calculator is off by one in France" to "Get this LLM to stop spamming cutsey emojis", then maybe it's time for a career change.

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Doesn't this require accreditation that most programmers wouldn't have?

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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I get burnout from frustration when the LLM just can't follow instructions. Like when I'm trying to get it to create an image, and the first pass is beautiful, but ten different request to modify it, with different phrasing and even example images, produce the same image ten times. Or when you tell it not to use a cheap hack in AGENTS.md about six different ways and in your prompt, and it still does it again, and aga…

> Also: I've never once seen an emoji in LLM output. What are people talking about?

It seems to be heavily dependent on the task.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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I am feeling very tired. Since I’ve started working with LLMs my output as a solo dev has easily gone up 20x. I’m closing client projects including ones that previously would have been far too ambitious to take on alone. Long running codebases are getting features that have dragged out for months or been sitting in the planning stages for even longer. And overall quality is way up now with more complete (and honestly…

I have a friend who is a confessed LLM-addict and has told me pretty much everything you mentioned (you might be my friend!), I just have a question I want to ask that I never do to him: Why do you feel the need to churn out so many "personal projects" if they burn you out that much? I think we can all agree on the exhaustiveness of reviewing tons of AI-generated code in our $JOB$ - then why extend this unpleasant situation to your whole day?

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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I’m currently doing a project with someone who only uses LLMs, and it’s exhausting and mentally draining. Whenever I give feedback on something, the answer is just “let me tell Claude”. The person has no understanding of how everything works, and most of the code reflects that. The other day he hardcoded in a demo mode, simply because he didn’t even know how to set up a local environment and set environment variables…

I'm the same as you. Very specific tasks. Just now I spent two hours in a conversation with claude code to change 5 lines of code that change a significant semantic. On the other hand my buddy is spending $10k in tokens a day on agents to build something. He's a very smart guy, former developer so it's not just AI psychosis talking. Still trying to figure it out. Not that I have $10k to spend.

> $10k in tokens a day

What on earth is he building?

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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This makes more sense if you think about the contexts in which people would talk about gates on the Internet, I dare say.

Oh? I've been on the Internet for ~35 years. What did I miss?

My expectation is that you'd hear a lot more about "gated communities", "gatekeeping" etc. than any of the uses of gates that give warm fuzzies. (As a suffix, it's also associated with scandals; but that probably isn't relevant here.)

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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I don't think I have a "burnout", but LLMs are really exhausting due to amount of pressure they generate. No one is really pushing me to increase my workload, but at every moment there is always something ready, done by my clankers or clankers of other people that I could be unblocking. In the past (before LLMs) it was already hard to keep up, but now it feels like there's 10x more things waiting at any given time, a…

> but at every moment there is always something ready

Yes, this is to me the primary driver of the extreme AI burnout. In ~30 years in Silicon Valley and many, many startups, the pressure has never been as intense.

Before AI I'd mostly work on one thing at a time (at least within a given hour) and in the evening I wouldn't start a new 6 hour task because it's too long, so tomorrow is another day.

Now, that 6 hour task is more like 30 minutes, so there is intense pressure to just knock it off tonight. And then the next one. And one more. And while the bot is thinking, to have 4 other work streams in parallel so there is never, ever, a break in the day. The human mind is not built for 100% utilization 15 hours a day.

Re: I think I have LLM burnout

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I don't think I have a "burnout", but LLMs are really exhausting due to amount of pressure they generate. No one is really pushing me to increase my workload, but at every moment there is always something ready, done by my clankers or clankers of other people that I could be unblocking. In the past (before LLMs) it was already hard to keep up, but now it feels like there's 10x more things waiting at any given time, a…

> I don't think I have a "burnout", but LLMs are really exhausting due to amount of pressure they generate. No one is really pushing me to increase my workload, but at every moment there is always something ready, done by my clankers or clankers of other people that I could be unblocking. I see a different type of pressure: I'm at a company that still is requiring everyone use LLMs with token leaderboards, time-spent…

Probably easy for an outsider to say but companies tracking their workers quantatively like this would have me looking for another job
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