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Chatto is now open source
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Re: Chatto is now open source
#222it would be interesting if instead of making migration tools - one shot - you could do a migration then sync.
Easier said than done, but changing peoples chat app from under them in an org is a stressful thought. If they could run side by side in sync until a critical mass has moved over, then sunset the old one, or not.
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#223The killer feature of Discord for me is being able to jump between communities without logging in to each of them. Open source alternatives never provide that. Does this one? Matrix is the obvious exception but the UX has always been terrible for me. I don't need e2ee for group messages and it brings too much complexity with it.
felt the same way so I've built one for myself that I've been using with friends and family - not (yet) open source but self-hostable https://github.com/bogpad/meepachat
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are building something B2B expected to have good enough scale ... we had to choose between kafka, nats, redpanda and rabbitMQ .... We went ahead with NATS .... don't know why, but, when we went through all the docs, including setup and operational, NATS just felt right.
We are in the same decision making stage and trying to choose between rabitMQ, Kafka, NATS and some solutions built on top of Redis. Did NATS eventually worked well?
Excellent. We already tested at okayish scale of 5 million messages per minute, with each message being less than 1KiB. Do note that NATS can easily handle 100x this scale. It's just what we had tested during initial days.
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#225> snappiest frontend that you’ve ever used in an app like this
I tried the HQ community, the UI is indeed very snappy!
anyone tried to join lke 50+ communities with heavy updates?
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#226How does it differ to Zulip?
voice chat?
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
> anyone who is willing to build on stolen property just so that we can accelerate enshittification and damage the environment Others have made solid arguments(Stackoverflow, open weight models, and fully open source models) - but I encourage you to study the ecosystem post War II and the 1970's Silicon Valley, especially how the semiconductor companies "innovated". The tiny little MOSFETs you're employing to read th…
> The tiny little MOSFETs you're employing to read this are all built on stolen IP. The alternative to an LLM typing code is a human typing the code. What is the alternative to microchips? > As someone famous said, good artists copy; great artists steal. And people who could not be further from artists, or even art enjoyers, think stealing makes them artists, too. Because they're that far removed from art, or any gra…
vacuum tubes : MOSFETS :: human coders : LLMs
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
I second that. I've personally known him for almost 30 years by now, and he's still one of the smartest, most experienced, and most curious devs I've ever met. All around good guy, would work with him again any day of the week.
I've never met Hendrik but the code looks cool :)
Can you share something that you found nice?
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#229Wow! I've tried (and failed) to implement a chat application which parries slack and it sounds like the direction you're going in with Chatto is precisely what I was envisioning. I'll give Chatto a shot, but one of the things I'd love to have is interop with Slack and Discord. Is that on the roadmap or no? I saw that there's a Slack -> Chatto migration tool, but the unfortunate reality is that Slack is used by custom…
> I've tried (and failed)
Why did it fail?
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
> anyone who is willing to build on stolen property just so that we can accelerate enshittification and damage the environment Others have made solid arguments(Stackoverflow, open weight models, and fully open source models) - but I encourage you to study the ecosystem post War II and the 1970's Silicon Valley, especially how the semiconductor companies "innovated". The tiny little MOSFETs you're employing to read th…
> The tiny little MOSFETs you're employing to read this are all built on stolen IP. The alternative to an LLM typing code is a human typing the code. What is the alternative to microchips? > As someone famous said, good artists copy; great artists steal. And people who could not be further from artists, or even art enjoyers, think stealing makes them artists, too. Because they're that far removed from art, or any gra…
> What is the alternative to microchips?
There are different ways to answer this. One person gave a literal answer - Vacuum Tubes. My, alternate answer is, humans. Computers are machines that automate human processes. If we didn't have a digital domain, we would just be doing what we were doing before it, printing and writing.
> I'd bet 99% of overall token usage has nothing lasting to show for it, and of the 1% that actually compound into anything 99% are nothing like this
What you're betting with?
LLMs have changed to game on velocity of knowledge work. The future has changed and "nothing lasting to show for it" is a very limited take on the matter.
LLMs have democratized knowledge.