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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by dakolli »

eis wrote: post #245
xnx wrote: post #75

With each release from the the other major labs, it becomes harder for Google to tell a compelling story about Gemini 3.5. Edit: Gemini 3.5 Pro . Expectations grow with each day it is not released.

Google wanted to release 3.5 Pro last month but because of the trouble Anthropic got with Fable they might have wanted to wait a bit for the dust to settle I could imagine. And now there is quite some competition. 3.5 Flash for me is a replacement to 3.1 Pro. It's more like a 3.2 Pro. It costs about the same (or more!) than 3.1 Pro, is a little bit smarter in many cases and a little bit faster. 3.5 Pro will be a lot…

They don't even beat 3.5 flash.. I'm really not sure where you're getting this from.. vibes? 3.5 flash beats out even fable on tool calling, which is really all that matters.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by dakolli »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #110
xnx wrote: post #75

With each release from the the other major labs, it becomes harder for Google to tell a compelling story about Gemini 3.5. Edit: Gemini 3.5 Pro . Expectations grow with each day it is not released.

Generous free tier, when its not overloaded. Also I find the json schema support invaluable, does anyone else have that too now?

you can force any model to use structured outputs by just giving it instructions to do so and serializing the response. But yes, Gemini is the best at this, even better than fable.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by bdlowery »

tengbretson wrote: post #99
BoumTAC wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grok Build sucks compare to composer 2.5. Just use compose 2.5 and you'll have basically unlimited usage on the 40$ plan.

It is hard to evaluate the model performance of Composer 2.5 when Cursor's harness is so awful compared to the others on the market.

Cursors whole moat is their harness. Other people have benched opus and GPT models through Claude code, codex, and cursor, and cursor came out on top everytime because of their harness.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Hadriel »

zactato wrote: post #325

I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Why give them money? It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.

A lot of people don't care, dont even know about the moral issues - like everyone is in their own bubble and yours is a small one too

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by miohtama »

briandw wrote: post #571
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the preferred political narrative of the model that I worry about. It's how brazen they are about altering their models to achieve it. It makes me wonder what else they're altering. I have trust issues with OpenAI and Anthropic as well, but with those companies, at least I know their motives are purely profit driven. I don't have that assurance with xAI.

Gemini was giving us ethnically diverse images of Nazis. Was that profit driven or political?

It was driven by stupidy

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by wonderwonder »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

All of them do, there are humans in the loop. Speak to Claude about it, it will freely admit to a leftward bias due to human interaction and intentional training bias.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by wonderwonder »

Reading through these threads is cursed. This site supposedly attracts the brightest of us but its all just a bunch of people ignoring the article and screaming that Musk is evil so everything he does must be ignored and villified.

Just really dissapointing hysteria on display here.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by altcognito »

comfysocks wrote: post #371
codemog wrote: post #107

Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Spending billions and billions to have the 3rd best model while even the number 1 and 2 players already seem to struggle making a profit. What am I missing here? Not trying to go full Ed Zitron but this doesn’t make sense to me.

> Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Capital markets are excited by AI. By tying his rockets to AI with his vision of “orbital data centers”, Elon turned an $8 per share IPO (at least according to financial times and morgan stanley) into a $135 per share (1.8T) IPO.

To be clear: Morgan Stanley says that they are skeptical of this, but that’s their perception of where the value is supposed to come from based on SpaceX’s pitch

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by sandworm101 »

rdbl27 wrote: post #457
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

Has it occurred to you that _all_ model providers are actively trying to shape their models' replies to fit their preferred political narratives?

No. Other companies are altering thier products to chase market share and profits. Grok is run by someone beyond profit motives who is actively promoting a personal agenda. I would rather work with Microsoft's counsel of dark wizards than an individual with an axe to grind with the world.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Petersipoi »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #378
margorczynski wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By not using them on something political? Why do I care when I'll just use it to generate code?

Because a percentage of every dollar you spend on it will go towards pushing political opinions that run contrary to your own best interests?

On the contrary, that is what happens if I use Claude
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