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Post by appreciatorBus »

unknownfuture wrote: post #394
supern0va wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time something along these lines is posted, comments like this show up. The thing I don't get is...no one would say this about listening to a podcast or audiobook on a walk. I'm not sure why people choose to demonize this specific use of time during walks.

It's coming from a place of objecting to burnout/overwork culture. Recently I witnessed a CTO mention in a public channel that with Claude remote control people can now work while getting a coffee or other breaks during the day. Tech is actively moving in a direction of destroying all the gains from the labour movement in service of enriching capital out of a combination of FOMO or fear of being replaced. So yeah, wh…

Nah.

Workers in 2026, even non-tech workers have an easier life than workers alive at any other point in human history.

Yes ofc there are problems - collectivist land use laws that ban construction near homeowners continue to drive housing costs higher for example. But if you asked any worker today if they would have preferred to be alive 40 or 400 years ago I would be shocked if any said yes.

Re: GPT‑Live

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Post by unknownfuture »

appreciatorBus wrote: post #411
unknownfuture wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's coming from a place of objecting to burnout/overwork culture. Recently I witnessed a CTO mention in a public channel that with Claude remote control people can now work while getting a coffee or other breaks during the day. Tech is actively moving in a direction of destroying all the gains from the labour movement in service of enriching capital out of a combination of FOMO or fear of being replaced. So yeah, wh…

Nah. Workers in 2026, even non-tech workers have an easier life than workers alive at any other point in human history. Yes ofc there are problems - collectivist land use laws that ban construction near homeowners continue to drive housing costs higher for example. But if you asked any worker today if they would have preferred to be alive 40 or 400 years ago I would be shocked if any said yes.

So I'm clear: as long as our jobs don't devolve to 100 hours a week in a sweat shop or tilling the earth for the lord of our fiefdom, we should just sit back and be happy?

Is that what I should take away from your comment?

Re: GPT‑Live

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Post by senectus1 »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #393

This is fascinating to me. Whether that's due to my slight autism or massive nerdery, I don't want more realistic voice. I already switched to non-advanced voice in gpt, and I cannot imagine wanting the mmmhms, the yesses, the laughs, in my ai interaction. I want to ask a structured question and get a structured meaningful response. Informative and structured are really the KPIs. The umms and ahms of existing gpt adv…

100% agree, its also disturbing that they want to make seem like a human.

I suspect most people would prefer it to behave like the computer in star trek. just be there, and be responsive in direct polite ways. dont try to be a friend, dont try to pretend its people. its not. its fucking code.

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Post by overgard »

spongebobstoes wrote: post #389
overgard wrote: post #330

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In a personal context, you're not hindered from doing those things, so you're correct in that regard. The problem is economic and social. The AI is mediocre enough to drive the value of those things way down; possibly to zero. When something isn't valuable, people are less likely to learn it, and in the future it's less likely that anyone will actually have those skills. For example, we've slopped many illustrators o…

"starving artist" is not a new concept AI doesn't stop creative people from creating. it gives creative people an additional tool with which to create

> "starving artist" is not a new concept

Exactly, so why make it worse? Why try to automate an industry when the money you make off killing it wouldn't even cover the cost of your research?

> AI doesn't stop creative people from creating. it gives creative people an additional tool with which to create

I can't emphasize enough how much actual creative people hate this shit. Here's a relatively balanced take, although the headline spoils it (How AI Poisons Creativity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeCSzEtZcUw ). Long story short, the struggle is where creative ideas come from. If you automate away the process you automate away the result.

Re: GPT‑Live

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Post by overgard »

derangedHorse wrote: post #380
overgard wrote: post #350

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"Blame the individual" doesn't really make sense when we're talking about things that have a society-wide impact. As an analogue, personally I'm not on social media, but I am affected by social media because everyone around me is on social media and their happiness and wellbeing also impacts me. AI companies need to stop pretending they can just outsource responsibility for their products. I think assuming people wil…

So you want to blame a company for the impact others have on you because those said others choose to consume their product?

Go read "Careless People". The social media people knew exactly how damaging their product was early on, as evidenced by the fact that they wouldn't even let their own children use it. I think AI people understand how damaging their product is too; and so I will never respect them unless they take responsibility for the things they create. Going "not my problem bruh, I got my bag!" is a bad ethical position.

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Post by misiti3780 »

joshmarlow wrote: post #30

I'm so mad that this might make me re-subscribe to ChatGPT. I wouldn't have believed how much I use the voice feature before LLMs and ChatGPT currently has the best voice interface. I think Grok's interface is the next best, then Claude.

same, i use the voice feature every day at the gym, talk to it for 1 hour, and then make anki cards based on what it has taught me, total game changer.

Re: GPT‑Live

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Post by usef- »

jjulius wrote: post #381
supern0va wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time something along these lines is posted, comments like this show up. The thing I don't get is...no one would say this about listening to a podcast or audiobook on a walk. I'm not sure why people choose to demonize this specific use of time during walks.

> ...no one would say this about listening to a podcast or audiobook on a walk. I highly recommend simply enjoying the walk. :)

This may not be you, but the people who have said that to me irl walk significantly less than I do. And saying these things to people who don't yet exercise can make them far less likely to start as it's a far bigger step to do so. Podcasts and recorded lectures are what got me exercising in the first place, because I was excited to hear the next part. I now only have headprones on some of my walks, but the gateway drug of entertainment was a very useful stepping stone. And still often better than sitting at a desk.

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Post by aristocrazy »

athyuttamre wrote: post #336
londons_explore wrote: post #87

The demo video shows quite how rough around the edges this is.... Doesn't quite stop fast enough when you interrupt it. Can't find info quick enough so you have to change topic and then have it give you results later, etc. This is a move in the right direction, but there is lots of engineering still to be done!

(Atty from OpenAI here) >This is a move in the right direction, but there is lots of engineering still to be done! Could not agree more. We see this as the first version of a new generation; expect many improvements in the future.

As someone with a chronic eye disease that makes screens difficult, I love this voice feature. It gives me hope that, even if my disease progresses, I’ll be able to rely less on screens and screen readers for many everyday tasks in the future.

Re: GPT‑Live

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Post by bitwize »

pdntspa wrote: post #287
bitwize wrote: post #235

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One popular speech synth from back in the day, I believe it was WillowTalk, had a voice called Colossus, which sounded like the voice module of the computer from Colossus: The Forbin Project . This voice was used for that of CATS in the famous "All your base are belong to us" Flash video. Another WillowTalk voice was a clone of DECtalk's Perfect Paul good enough to be used as the voice in the MC Hawking rap recording…

I am having a hell of a time googling for WillowTalk, do you know any links/places where I can learn more? Maybe even download something?

It came from a company called Willow Pond Software. That seems to narrow searches down.

WillowTalk is apparently still of interest to Half-Life modders because another WillowTalk voice, possibly a clone of DECtalk's Huge Harry, was used as the Black Mesa VOX facility-wide announcement system in the original Half-Life.

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