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Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

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At-home testing is dead.

Just wait a few decades until brain-machine interfaces will become a mass-market thing.

Can't wait for the EU brain control bill.

We support our citizens right to free will so long as they don't think anything bad.

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> Ivy League college students are, by definition, intelligent. I stopped reading after the first sentence.

I’m not sure why that’s controversial - I have met many Ivy League students and grads; they are all intelligent, at least in an academic way. The only other common characteristic is that they almost always had some form of privilege. Either rich parents, or adults around them who worked very hard to get them to that level.

If you have privilege, don’t be ashamed. USE IT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE!

It’s yours anyway. You don’t owe society anything just because you have privilege.

Everyone else, put on a helmet! Welcome to life.

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

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> Ivy League college students are, by definition, intelligent. I stopped reading after the first sentence.

I agree that they are intelligent, just don't know about the "definition" part. A typical Ivy Leaguer isn't a dumbass. What's wrong with calling one intelligent?

Try visiting a Walmart and interacting with literally anyone. That's the average. Let's not allow our egos to gatekeep who we consider intelligent, fellow HNians.

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> Ivy League college students are, by definition, intelligent. I stopped reading after the first sentence.

“Rich”

I didn't attend an Ivy League, but I think I went to a good school. I was very nervous before I left for school - a little intimidated, so I talked to an academic mentor. He told me something I'll never forget: "You're gonna be around a lot of really smart kids. No doubt about it. But, mostly, what you're gonna find is you're surrounded by a lot of rich kids." He was 100% correct. Lots of smart kids, and lots of kids from well-to-do families. I think I met, maybe, 2 other kids that were as broke as my family.

Re: Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%

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Seems like an application of Goodhart's law; measuring worth by degree or grades stopped measuring learning or ability.

This was a lot harder to cheat before AI, but now the floodgates are open and grades and degrees earned post-AI are showing that they mean little.

Cheating on college tests should be a jailable criminal offense (similar to computer fraud) so that there is dignity in the degree again. Considering the money involved, I don't see why not.

But this probably won't happen, because many rich people are very happy to buy their degrees. See also [1]

https://stanforddaily.com/2026/04/09/the-real-reason-student...

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Seems like an application of Goodhart's law; measuring worth by degree or grades stopped measuring learning or ability. This was a lot harder to cheat before AI, but now the floodgates are open and grades and degrees earned post-AI are showing that they mean little. Cheating on college tests should be a jailable criminal offense (similar to computer fraud) so that there is dignity in the degree again. Considering the…

> measuring worth by degree or grades stopped measuring learning or ability.

It still does if the test is in person

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Seems like an application of Goodhart's law; measuring worth by degree or grades stopped measuring learning or ability. This was a lot harder to cheat before AI, but now the floodgates are open and grades and degrees earned post-AI are showing that they mean little. Cheating on college tests should be a jailable criminal offense (similar to computer fraud) so that there is dignity in the degree again. Considering the…

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Seems like an application of Goodhart's law; measuring worth by degree or grades stopped measuring learning or ability. This was a lot harder to cheat before AI, but now the floodgates are open and grades and degrees earned post-AI are showing that they mean little. Cheating on college tests should be a jailable criminal offense (similar to computer fraud) so that there is dignity in the degree again. Considering the…

You don’t even need to go that far. If they just expelled cheaters instead of trying to sweep it under the rug and ignore it that would go a long way.

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> Ivy League college students are, by definition, intelligent. I stopped reading after the first sentence.

I’m not sure why that’s controversial - I have met many Ivy League students and grads; they are all intelligent, at least in an academic way. The only other common characteristic is that they almost always had some form of privilege. Either rich parents, or adults around them who worked very hard to get them to that level.

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