Iran, Not Trump, Is in Control of This War

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Post by Jtsummers » Wed, Jul 08, 2026, 9:10 PM UTC

Iran, Not Trump, Is in Control of This War
theatlantic.com

Re: Iran, Not Trump, Is in Control of This War

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Post by Jtsummers » Wed, Jul 08, 2026, 9:15 PM UTC

https://archive.is/q6SQa

Re: Iran, Not Trump, Is in Control of This War

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Post by jazz9k » Wed, Jul 08, 2026, 9:29 PM UTC

I suppose if getting bombed by the US, no deal, and more oil exports from the US in history, means 'in control of the war'

Re: Iran, Not Trump, Is in Control of This War

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Post by dotcoma » Wed, Jul 08, 2026, 9:32 PM UTC

jazz9k wrote: post #3

I suppose if getting bombed by the US, no deal, and more oil exports from the US in history, means 'in control of the war'

They can certainly endure it until November. Can Trump?

Re: Iran, Not Trump, Is in Control of This War

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Post by enragebait » Wed, Jul 08, 2026, 9:36 PM UTC

jazz9k wrote: post #3

I suppose if getting bombed by the US, no deal, and more oil exports from the US in history, means 'in control of the war'

Exports from the US is not a win. It’s like looting our piggybank to subsidize the deficit.

Re: Iran, Not Trump, Is in Control of This War

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Post by budsniffer952 » Wed, Jul 08, 2026, 10:01 PM UTC

Do people not understand that the US can level Iran tomorrow? Really?

Re: Iran, Not Trump, Is in Control of This War

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Post by Jtsummers » Wed, Jul 08, 2026, 10:20 PM UTC

budsniffer952 wrote: post #6

Do people not understand that the US can level Iran tomorrow? Really?

> Do people not understand that the US can level Iran tomorrow? Really?

Short of using nuclear weapons, no, the US cannot "level Iran tomorrow". And the threat of nuclear weapons has become much weaker over the decades, it would be political, and potentially national, suicide to use them at this point.

Re: Iran, Not Trump, Is in Control of This War

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Post by jst1fthsdys » Wed, Jul 08, 2026, 10:41 PM UTC

budsniffer952 wrote: post #6

Do people not understand that the US can level Iran tomorrow? Really?

Do you not understand Iran would destroy ARAMCO, not to mention Israeli desalination and nuke sites? They've been pretty measured in their escalation strategy, they haven't gone to their "nuclear" option yet.

Also, sure the US can kill lots of civilians in Tehran with a nuke. But then what does China think? What about Russia? It starts a huge shit show that will not end well for anyone on this planet.

Re: Iran, Not Trump, Is in Control of This War

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Post by tim-tday » Wed, Jul 08, 2026, 11:10 PM UTC

budsniffer952 wrote: post #6

Do people not understand that the US can level Iran tomorrow? Really?

Congratulations, you are one of the people who do not understand.

Re: Iran, Not Trump, Is in Control of This War

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Post by tim-tday » Wed, Jul 08, 2026, 11:13 PM UTC

jazz9k wrote: post #3

I suppose if getting bombed by the US, no deal, and more oil exports from the US in history, means 'in control of the war'

Bombing them won’t open the strait of Hormuz which is what trump needs. It’s a classic asymmetrical warfare situation. It takes minimal command infrastructure to keep it closed. (Iran has already been decapitated) He very much wants to open it and they can demand anything they want.