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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by gabriel-uribe »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #78
Tiberium wrote: post #5

It seems to be extremely economical - 4x better reasoning efficiency compared to Opus while being priced at $2/$6. For comparison, GPT 5.4 is $2.5/$15, GPT 5.5/5.6 are $5/$30, Opus 4.8 is $5/$25, Fable is $10/$50. And by benchmarks (unless they gamed them), seems to be at around Opus 4.7 level, which is what Elon mentioned in https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2074911038286295049 . I guess the Cursor data was very useful.

The $2/6 pricing seems to only apply for context under 200K. Above that (max context is 500K) pricing doubles to $4/12. https://docs.x.ai/developers/models/grok-4.5

Womp. Didn't see this anywhere else.

No longer feels as inexpensive. Will likely just include this in the rolodex of <200k context tasks, like being one of my review agents.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by SirHackalot »

alecco wrote: post #159
xnx wrote: post #75

With each release from the the other major labs, it becomes harder for Google to tell a compelling story about Gemini 3.5. Edit: Gemini 3.5 Pro . Expectations grow with each day it is not released.

xAI > Gooogle & DeepMind I did not have this one on my 2026 bingo card.

That’s just not true. Google Brain/DeepMind came up with the attention mechanism to begin with… What a silly take.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by mvdtnz »

rjh29 wrote: post #229
goos wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would having more costs and less income allow them to pass savings on to the end user?

They already invested in the massive datacentres of GPUs sitting idle. They have fewer users so they can deliver more inference per user - more thinking, larger models.

So where are these mythical savings coming from? You're saying they have spent more per user therefore can charge each user less or something? I'm not following.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by gabriel-uribe »

re-thc wrote: post #232
goos wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would having more costs and less income allow them to pass savings on to the end user?

More like they have a less focus on margins and more on cost recovery.

Definitely. They had insanely low rates on TTS up until a month or two ago ($4.20/1M) for example, which they only recently started increasing.

As their models get more competitive I'm sure prices will catch up.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by himata4113 »

cesarvarela wrote: post #234
minraws wrote: post #70

So basically since US stopped OpenAI and Anthropic for 4 weeks, it allowed all other AI Labs to almost catch up. GLM 5.2 caught up, Cognition RL'ed Kimi 2.7, Grok 4.5 is out, DeepSeek v4 GA is out in a few days... What is the moat? and why should we pay for the expensive tokens today instead of just waiting a few months/weeks and getting AI for significantly cheaper? I must say, I feel like companies spending Million…

"Almost" is doing a lot of work there; there is no alternative to Fable.

You can get fable-ish performance with gpt 5.5 watching over opus output. Although it fundementally cannot work as well because gpt 5.5 doesn't see the thinking process behind opus 4.8 unlike fable which presumeably self-steers and is natively trained for it.

See more: https://omp.sh - turn on advisor and set advisor role to gpt 5.5 xhigh thinking.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by dijit »

arppacket wrote: post #236
codemog wrote: post #107

Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Spending billions and billions to have the 3rd best model while even the number 1 and 2 players already seem to struggle making a profit. What am I missing here? Not trying to go full Ed Zitron but this doesn’t make sense to me.

It's simple. Elon's top priority now is "killing the woke mind virus" at any cost, and his Nazi AI is a key tool for that. As long as twitter users take Grok at face value, and spread its talking points all over, it's worth it to him. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make economical sense, it only matters that Elon Musk personally wants to keep it going.

I don't want to go into it, because I agree that Elon is a very disturbing person, and there's clear evidence that Grok's harness attempts to bias towards his views.

However, Grok also seems to come out consistently as the most balanced of the chat-based LLMs...

So I'm not sure how to reconcile that.. maybe that's in line with "free speech absolutism", and if so, that's something I can get behind.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by redanddead »

SwellJoe wrote: post #198
TheGoddessInari wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could be typing the same about Google or a number of the other labs right now. A diverse market full of choices keeps it from becoming the browser wars all over again.

Google is playing a different game. I don't really know what game they're playing, but they're not trying to beat Claude Code. They have coding capabilities and Antigravity, but I'd be surprised if it's much more than an afterthought. They're focusing on efficiency, models at the edge, human interaction, image and video, etc. in ways Anthropic, in particular, is not. Google wants its AI to be pervasive in everyone's…

At the same time that they’re seemingly exiting android?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by richardw »

SwellJoe wrote: post #198
TheGoddessInari wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could be typing the same about Google or a number of the other labs right now. A diverse market full of choices keeps it from becoming the browser wars all over again.

Google is playing a different game. I don't really know what game they're playing, but they're not trying to beat Claude Code. They have coding capabilities and Antigravity, but I'd be surprised if it's much more than an afterthought. They're focusing on efficiency, models at the edge, human interaction, image and video, etc. in ways Anthropic, in particular, is not. Google wants its AI to be pervasive in everyone's…

If I had to summarise Google’s effort it would be: stay close but let the others burn themselves out. Position for the long game until you see something worth betting the company on.

Apple similar, without the “stay close” bit.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by redanddead »

subhobroto wrote: post #196
TheGoddessInari wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could be typing the same about Google or a number of the other labs right now. A diverse market full of choices keeps it from becoming the browser wars all over again.

> A diverse market full of choices keeps it from becoming the browser wars all over again. This is a great analogy but I worry you might be implying something I don't agree with but you didn't explicitly say what I'm worried about, so let me call it out: Microsoft played a dirty game with I.E, but they are in the dirty game business. It wasn't only I.E, it was their OS, Office suite and everything else they do busine…

Why does Microsoft feel so gross

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by 13415 »

Grok is not a serious AI, it's not suitable for professional work and has mediocre performance anyway.
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