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EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Post by vondur »

niels8472 wrote: post #108
logicchains wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fortunately the US has not only freedom of speech in the constitution but also tens of millions of armed civilians that place a hard limit on how much control the government can have over people's speech. The only reason the Chinese government can achieve such control over speech is because it can disappear anyone who speaks against it. It doesn't even need guns; Nepalese youth managed to stop social media censorship…

From the Chinese constitution: Article 35 Citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall enjoy freedom of speech, the press, assembly, association, procession and demonstration.

Hahah, that's also what the Constitution of the Soviet Union stated. Tell that to everyone that got sent to the Gulag's for speaking up.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Post by MaKey »

red_admiral wrote: post #95

This is about 1.0, which sounds ok - it basically allows providers a legitimate exception from data privacy laws to scan for CSAM in not E2EE communications. I reckon gmail, iCloud mail and the like already scan attachments for malware and emails for phishing scams, now they can also scan for child abuse. cc 2.0 is a different beast.

It's still objectionable with a false positive rate of 50-80%.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Post by anonym29 »

peyton wrote: post #106
budududuroiu wrote: post #91

The Internet Watch Foundation, an organisation funded by almost all of big tech, is already at work pushing for client side scanning next [1], for the children, of course. [1] https://www.iwf.org.uk/policy-work/preventing-the-upload-of-...

Interesting. It would be easy to detect hate speech client-side too I’d imagine. My phone already listens for certain words.

Why stop there? This system can easily be used to target welfare recipients, immigrants, LGBT+ people, black/brown/indigenous people, pretty much any disfavored group of choice!

You're just one election away from "that was during the previous term of office"

https://media.mullvad.net/web/chatcontrol2_en.jpg

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Post by vrganj »

greenleafone7 wrote: post #84
artisinal wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps in the future cars will not only record your face but also listen in for hate speech. Most cars have SOS and GPS modules so calling the police if someone in the car shouts a slur is just connecting some code together.

I think this should go one step further. If you don't praise the magnificence of your local EU politicians then your car's breaks will stop working and an electric shot will be administered to everyone presently in the car. That will satisfy EU-rocrats. The coming revolution will be well deserved I think.

Man, the paranoid ramblings every time the EU gets mentioned here really are something else...

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Post by xienze »

fakedang wrote: post #110
logicchains wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fortunately the US has not only freedom of speech in the constitution but also tens of millions of armed civilians that place a hard limit on how much control the government can have over people's speech. The only reason the Chinese government can achieve such control over speech is because it can disappear anyone who speaks against it. It doesn't even need guns; Nepalese youth managed to stop social media censorship…

Has the armed civilian population done anything to protect constitutional rights? Last time a section of them mobilized, it was to overthrow a rightfully elected government.

They were unarmed and the government was and continues to be scared shitless of that "attempted overthrow" (with no weapons? Does anyone really believe that had any chance of succeeding?) to this very day.

Seems to me like that Second Amendment thing could be very effective with a sufficiently motivated population.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Post by rwyinuse »

logicchains wrote: post #98
yubblegum wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think this is only going to be in Europe? This will be the global norm modulo some astroid hitting earth or civilizational crash. The trajectory is crystal clear: access to information (AI), control over personal finance (CBDC), privacy of personal communications (handful of big tech MITM in everything), metered social interactions (today China, tomorrow the world over).

Fortunately the US has not only freedom of speech in the constitution but also tens of millions of armed civilians that place a hard limit on how much control the government can have over people's speech. The only reason the Chinese government can achieve such control over speech is because it can disappear anyone who speaks against it. It doesn't even need guns; Nepalese youth managed to stop social media censorship…

America may have tens of millions of armed civilians, but I'm not convinced that so many of them care about freedom of speech, particularly when it comes to people who they disagree with.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Post by McDyver »

bellowsgulch wrote: post #92

lol, say someone publishes an E2E distributed extension to an existing chat protocol. Are you going to arrest someone for writing code? Are you going to arrest people who use private communications? Sounds like a legislator carve out hot and ready to happen. I get the point, ban E2E, OK sure, but what if some software is designed in such a way that the company doesn't provide it, but it just happens to be compatible…

It's all coming together: Even if an open protocol was developed and published, and everyone would just use AI to create their own app in order to be private, Google is shutting down that path by preventing "unsanctioned" apps from being installed (not to mention Apple, which already does it).

People wouldn't be arrested for writing code, but as it happened in Spain, people with Pixels and GrapheneOS are already treated as drug dealers

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Post by xienze »

budududuroiu wrote: post #91

The Internet Watch Foundation, an organisation funded by almost all of big tech, is already at work pushing for client side scanning next [1], for the children, of course. [1] https://www.iwf.org.uk/policy-work/preventing-the-upload-of-...

> for the children, of course.

Kind of surprised they don't just pitch it as a way to root out Russian propaganda and right-wing extremism. Public opinion would shift overnight. They'd practically demand it!

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Post by slg »

budududuroiu wrote: post #91

The Internet Watch Foundation, an organisation funded by almost all of big tech, is already at work pushing for client side scanning next [1], for the children, of course. [1] https://www.iwf.org.uk/policy-work/preventing-the-upload-of-...

I feel like if people wanted to counter this push, the more effective route would be addressing the "for the children" motivations seriously rather than fully dismissing them. You could cut the legs out of this effort by capturing the part of the population that does have an honest desire to protect children by offering an alternative that actually protects children. Instead, that concern is treated as 100% disingenuous which pushes many normal people to the side of wanting to enact these controls. This is a political problem, you need to solve it with politics.
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