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Chatto is now open source

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Post by Centigonal »

ori_b wrote: post #120
urbandw311er wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that’s just snarky and not very nice. The guy has 30 years experience as a dev according to a sibling comment so it’s not as though it’s some vibe coded junk. Why do you believe a good dev can’t use AI to assist in writing great code?

I'm not interested supporting in anyone who is willing to build on stolen property just so that we can accelerate enshittification and damage the environment. When the AI companies pay artists for their training material, stop building gas pipelines directly to data centers, and work on putting UBI in place before they try to replace all white collar labour, it may be worth revisiting. There's a reason that believing…

Good luck! The world needs more rms types (specifically referring to people who adhere strongly to moral principles over expedience)

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Post by forty »

sneak wrote: post #103
goodroot wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Backend under AGPL prevents someone hosting it as a service. AGPL specifies that hosting _is_ distribution. Therefore, anyone hosting it must do so with public code. This provides a soft form of exclusivity to run their own Cloud. A frontend, permitting customizability, white-labeling, and so on, makes more sense to be more permissive. Grafana is a solid example to illustrate why. Moved from Apache to AGPLv3 in 2021…

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I'm not sure what you are complaining about, AGPL is doing nothing against commerce and you are free to fork and sell a service using that fork. Just make sure to provide the code source of your fork to your user so they can also make their own forks, potentially making their own commercial services with them. It might be to most pro commerce licence I know.

Re: Chatto is now open source

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Post by bluerooibos »

ori_b wrote: post #120
urbandw311er wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that’s just snarky and not very nice. The guy has 30 years experience as a dev according to a sibling comment so it’s not as though it’s some vibe coded junk. Why do you believe a good dev can’t use AI to assist in writing great code?

I'm not interested supporting in anyone who is willing to build on stolen property just so that we can accelerate enshittification and damage the environment. When the AI companies pay artists for their training material, stop building gas pipelines directly to data centers, and work on putting UBI in place before they try to replace all white collar labour, it may be worth revisiting. There's a reason that believing…

Would you say copying and finding solutions on Stackoverflow is building on stolen property?

I'm no fan of AI companies, but I fail to see how people using it to build open-source software is a bad thing.

Re: Chatto is now open source

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Post by anonym29 »

sneak wrote: post #103
goodroot wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Backend under AGPL prevents someone hosting it as a service. AGPL specifies that hosting _is_ distribution. Therefore, anyone hosting it must do so with public code. This provides a soft form of exclusivity to run their own Cloud. A frontend, permitting customizability, white-labeling, and so on, makes more sense to be more permissive. Grafana is a solid example to illustrate why. Moved from Apache to AGPLv3 in 2021…

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GPL and AGPL don't even prohibit for-profit businesses from using software with those licenses, they just say you don't get to pretend it's your own intellectual property and privatize it.

It's not anti-commerce or anti-business to contractually prohibit selfish entities from absconding with public goods for private gain and refusing to contribute any public good back in the process.

Similar idea to public roads - if you want to use public roads that the rest of us enjoy, pay taxes like the rest of us do. Using public roads without paying taxes doesn't make you a savvy businessman, it makes you an amoral freeloader.

If you want an intellectual property moat, fund the labor to build it yourself. The world doesn't owe you a penny.

Re: Chatto is now open source

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Post by anonym29 »

ori_b wrote: post #120
urbandw311er wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that’s just snarky and not very nice. The guy has 30 years experience as a dev according to a sibling comment so it’s not as though it’s some vibe coded junk. Why do you believe a good dev can’t use AI to assist in writing great code?

I'm not interested supporting in anyone who is willing to build on stolen property just so that we can accelerate enshittification and damage the environment. When the AI companies pay artists for their training material, stop building gas pipelines directly to data centers, and work on putting UBI in place before they try to replace all white collar labour, it may be worth revisiting. There's a reason that believing…

How do you feel about open weight models, and fully open source models (all data, training scripts/recipies, and model weights all open source)?

Re: Chatto is now open source

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Post by jdthedisciple »

So the UI is a Discord clone, I think that's worth mentioning. It's not a bad thing, quite the opposite: Discord nailed it in that regard.

Now are the chats end-to-end-encrypted? It only says calls are, so that remains ambiguous. I believe that would be a major sell for current Discord users.

Overall looks like a great app to try out.

Re: Chatto is now open source

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Post by renchap »

sneak wrote: post #97
frenchie4111 wrote: post #21

This is awesome! Some feedback - I can't tell anywhere from the website if there is mobile support (which is a must-have if I want to consider moving my company or friends over to this)

Note that to send notifications to an iOS app, the app publisher has to send them. This means that they need to run an event forwarding proxy service (this is how Mattermost and Element/Matrix and presumably some/all of the ActivityPub clients do it), or selfhosting your server means you must also selfpublish your client app via the App Store and Apple’s developer program tax.

For Mastodon, each mobile app developer needs to have a "webpush relay server" to receive Mastodon's webpush notifications and transmit them to the platform's push service. For Android, Mastodon recently added support for the latest webpush standard which allows the app developer to directly register Google's webpush endpoint with Mastodon, removing the need for a relay. In all cases, push notifications are encrypted by the Mastodon server, and decrypted by the Mastodon client, so any intermediaries (relay server, push notification service) can not read their content.

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Post by modeless »

sneak wrote: post #97
frenchie4111 wrote: post #21

This is awesome! Some feedback - I can't tell anywhere from the website if there is mobile support (which is a must-have if I want to consider moving my company or friends over to this)

Note that to send notifications to an iOS app, the app publisher has to send them. This means that they need to run an event forwarding proxy service (this is how Mattermost and Element/Matrix and presumably some/all of the ActivityPub clients do it), or selfhosting your server means you must also selfpublish your client app via the App Store and Apple’s developer program tax.

Safari finally supports Web Push so maybe you can bypass all that nonsense.

Re: Chatto is now open source

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Post by czottmann »

tomgs wrote: post #133

I joined the chat as well, but if Hendrik is here - we'd love to have you on the channel ( https://youtube.com/@WithMultiplesAI ). This will make for one hell of an episode, I think.

You asked a number of good questions there on the live call just now! I agree, you having Hendrik on would probably make for quite an ep.
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