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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

munk-a wrote: post #73
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't think it was going to zero anyway. They only had to worry about servicing their debt, they were doing well other than that. And even then they were probably fine.

I am not certain what financials you were looking at but Twitter was unable to ever meet the debt servicing costs for the leveraged buyout alone. It also had overhead costs and other debts that were entirely out of scope for being covered.

The latest Bloomberg reports before the xai merger/acquisition showed a dramatic turn around in their financial situation.

In the beginning it wasn’t good but they would have been fine after that. There are no credible reports to the contrary

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by peder »

codemog wrote: post #107

Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Spending billions and billions to have the 3rd best model while even the number 1 and 2 players already seem to struggle making a profit. What am I missing here? Not trying to go full Ed Zitron but this doesn’t make sense to me.

Frontier is one thing, but low-cost really good models are another. All the chatbots and day-to-day corporate bots are likely to use models that offer the best performance at the lowest cost. I think Grok has an angle here if they can build customer trust.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by nozzlegear »

inigyou wrote: post #139
codemog wrote: post #107

Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Spending billions and billions to have the 3rd best model while even the number 1 and 2 players already seem to struggle making a profit. What am I missing here? Not trying to go full Ed Zitron but this doesn’t make sense to me.

Grok is the #1 uncensored easily-available model, and it's also tightly integrated with Twitter.

Is uncensored a selling point? What do people use uncensored Grok for (like, real use cases) that they can't or won't use other LLMs for? Literally the only thing I can think of is generating bad porn of unconsenting people.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Squarex »

maipen wrote: post #26
Tiberium wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it should be available through Cursor? EDIT: Tested myself, it's actually NOT available from EU. But with a Swiss VPN it works :)

We will probably see it when it's available for everyone. This is the first time I see a lab region locking a model though.

first image gen models from openai and google were not available in the eu at the launch

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by ben_w »

smt88 wrote: post #37
Schiendelman wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do a lot of native iOS development using Opus 4.8 (and I used 4.7/4.6 before this). I have a very hard time with this comment, were you using Opus or something else?

I agree. There’s no chance Grok is better than Claude Code for this. And Claude is never so badly misaligned that it gives up and switches stacks.

Given how many users there are, I can easily believe it happened to at least one person who would then repeat it as an anecdote.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by jdw64 »

Personally, I wish they had shared some of the galactic code that GROK claims to have generated.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by small_model »

munk-a wrote: post #46
small_model wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who isn't

I'm not - then again I didn't launch a image generation model advertised as having a spicy mode so that might have something to do with the coincidence.

Apple, Google (Alphabet), Meta, Tik-tok etc are also, it's the EU shakedown method.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by tracekl »

They talk about benchmark first places at every release, but in reality from 4.0 onward Grok got worse every release. So bad in fact that they removed the login-free access and rented out colossus.

People don't buy it any longer, just like no one bought the fake SpaceX stock recommendations yesterday and everyone just sold.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by [deleted] »

Schiendelman wrote: post #19
mholt wrote: post #8

Of the 3 models I tried, Grok did the best at making an iOS app I wanted for personal use (a bike computer with specific qualities). (Claude just gave up and did an HTML/CSS implementation but I insisted on native SwiftUI+Metal.) Grok definitely fumbles sometimes, but I have been surprised what it CAN intuit versus me having to micromanage it. (I am not an iOS developer, so getting something specific that I needed in…

I do a lot of native iOS development using Opus 4.8 (and I used 4.7/4.6 before this). I have a very hard time with this comment, were you using Opus or something else?

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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by yottamus »

mholt wrote: post #8

Of the 3 models I tried, Grok did the best at making an iOS app I wanted for personal use (a bike computer with specific qualities). (Claude just gave up and did an HTML/CSS implementation but I insisted on native SwiftUI+Metal.) Grok definitely fumbles sometimes, but I have been surprised what it CAN intuit versus me having to micromanage it. (I am not an iOS developer, so getting something specific that I needed in…

As someone also not happy with my bike computer (some truly horrific UI/UX decisions), could you share or explain what you made? I like your web server.
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