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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by tavavex »

thrownawaysz wrote: post #4

Is there a reason the AI companies usually announce new products so close to each other. Like not just the same day but literally hours apart. GPT Live then an hour later Grok 4.5. As if they try to one up. I expect something new from Anhtropic as well today.

I'm guessing that they already have the model ready and the announcement blogposts locked and loaded, and then release them as soon as they see a competitor make the first move, trying to overshadow the first announcement or at least be swept up in the hype just as people start talking about new models again.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Psillisp »

codemog wrote: post #107

Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Spending billions and billions to have the 3rd best model while even the number 1 and 2 players already seem to struggle making a profit. What am I missing here? Not trying to go full Ed Zitron but this doesn’t make sense to me.

3rd best chat model? 5th or 6th maybe...

GPT

Qwen

Gemimi

MiniMax

Claude

Ollama

GLM

Kimi

DeepSeek

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by gorgoiler »

codemog wrote: post #107

Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Spending billions and billions to have the 3rd best model while even the number 1 and 2 players already seem to struggle making a profit. What am I missing here? Not trying to go full Ed Zitron but this doesn’t make sense to me.

Commoditize your opponents USP then eat up their engineering talent / silicon / real estate when they fail, perhaps?

I’ll be the first to admit it seems ambitious / implausible to try to (1) undercut the megalabs (2) move everyone’s focus back to tweets and then (3) profit.

A bit like handing out free horses to undercut Standard Oil so that you can go back to reaping the profits of your wheel tapping business.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by giancarlostoro »

hectdev wrote: post #124
czhu12 wrote: post #28

Its remarkable how Anthropic is able to maintain their edge against all competition. Anyone have any idea what the secret sauce is that has Anthropic at the top of all leaderboards for the past few years?

I think they have a better agent personality which pushes back and isn't sycophantic. It has been awhile since I've used the others but that's where it locked me in and I've stuck with it.

> isn't sycophantic

Not sure about that one... But I think the true secret sauce for all these models is how they reason. GPT never outputs how it thinks, which "saves on tokens" but Claude absolutely tells you how it thinks, and there's people who use how it reasons about solving problems to finetune smaller open source models, with surprisingly better output.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by vlian2088 »

xnx wrote: post #75

With each release from the the other major labs, it becomes harder for Google to tell a compelling story about Gemini 3.5. Edit: Gemini 3.5 Pro . Expectations grow with each day it is not released.

for what it's worth, it's fairly popular among my non-technical coworkers here in Russia. we have unlimited access to all models so it's not about the cost, and they still prefer Gemini over Claude and GPT. I never bothered to ask why, but I assume it's better at communicating in Russian.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by bfeynman »

c0rruptbytes wrote: post #118
codemog wrote: post #107

Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Spending billions and billions to have the 3rd best model while even the number 1 and 2 players already seem to struggle making a profit. What am I missing here? Not trying to go full Ed Zitron but this doesn’t make sense to me.

inference is profitable, these companies are in the red because they're paying a premium to get the compute now versus later (because compute is the only moat when open models are catching up) we're literally looking at insane margins over compute, as energy gets cheaper, margins get wider - china focusing on cheap solar is probably going to be a key reason why their AI is so much cheaper

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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by vb-8448 »

I think it's the first time ever we don't see the dominant model being surpassed by new released concurent models.

Did anthropic found their moat or we hit a Wall?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by TheGoddessInari »

codemog wrote: post #107

Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Spending billions and billions to have the 3rd best model while even the number 1 and 2 players already seem to struggle making a profit. What am I missing here? Not trying to go full Ed Zitron but this doesn’t make sense to me.

You could be typing the same about Google or a number of the other labs right now.

A diverse market full of choices keeps it from becoming the browser wars all over again.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by inigyou »

codemog wrote: post #107

Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Spending billions and billions to have the 3rd best model while even the number 1 and 2 players already seem to struggle making a profit. What am I missing here? Not trying to go full Ed Zitron but this doesn’t make sense to me.

Grok is the #1 uncensored easily-available model, and it's also tightly integrated with Twitter.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by squidbeak »

xnx wrote: post #75

With each release from the the other major labs, it becomes harder for Google to tell a compelling story about Gemini 3.5. Edit: Gemini 3.5 Pro . Expectations grow with each day it is not released.

Gemini 3.5 Pro hasn't been released yet.
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