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Re: Apple to increase spend with Broadcom to produce billions more U.S. chips

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It's a way to represent that value. The number does not itself store the value, nor does changing the number transfer the value. It's true that people work hard for that representation, because we've built systems where the link between the representation and the underlying value is quite strong, but it is still just a number at the end of the day.

That number that you don’t think is real lets you claim actual resources now and in the future. I think you should equally be confused about abstractions such as university credentials, or citizenship.

What lets you claim actual resources is the number, plus the massive economic system that it lives within. The economic system is by far the more interesting and relevant part of that, as evidenced by the fact that most assets are not held in the form of money.

And yes, those others are great examples of this principle. The diploma is just a piece of paper and an entry in the university's records. Set it on fire and I still have all the skills and knowledge. Give me a good solid blow to the head which breaks the skills and knowledge, and you've destroyed what's actually useful and interesting, even though the diploma is completely intact. Likewise, citizenship is only relevant because it convinces other people to let me do things like work, cross borders, and vote (which is a whole other number-that-does-stuff-because-people-happen-to-agree-on-it system).

I'm not confused and I don't think money isn't real. I just understand what it actually is, versus what people agree to do with it. It's a typical example of the map not being the territory. Money exists, but it is not wealth or value. Money in an account is a number. Money as a system is a collective arrangement where money can be exchanged for goods and services, usually.

Re: Apple to increase spend with Broadcom to produce billions more U.S. chips

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30B investment for "hundreds" of US jobs seems like a weird number to brag about

That merely hundreds of people can make a $30B investment return Apple/Broadcom-level profit margins is amazing . This is what technology does: More output for less labor input.

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Re: Apple to increase spend with Broadcom to produce billions more U.S. chips

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The biggest problem with the tariff policy is not the cost or even the uncertainty, it's the corruption. A single person should not have the power to dictate the terms of trade, because the rational play in such a system is for businesses that rely on trade to pander to that person, and that's corrupt.

It is useful for the president to have emergency powers. However he should have been impeached for abusing emergency powers in a non-emergency. Same for his invasion of Iran - Iran has been building long enough that he had plenty of time to go to Congress for permission if he thought attacks were needed.

Impeachment is the equivalent of an indictment, and the subsequent trial and removal is, probably correctly, very difficult to attain. That leaves a vast area of things a president shouldn't be able to do because it's illegal, but there isn't proportionate recourse.

The next Congress and the next president have a job to do there.

Re: Apple to increase spend with Broadcom to produce billions more U.S. chips

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I'm curious why you think China will decline or be eliminated, I always thought that China was a reliable as a production/trading partner and that they planned for decades ahead with programs like Belt and Road Initiative unlike western politics that only looks as far as the next election. Very open to correction on this though, thinking about it not sure what formed my opinion on this.

It’s foolish to be completely dependent on anyone else, no matter how stable the CURRENT situation is. We’ve seen this with the gulf countries and Strait of Hormuz, China with rare earth metals, Ukraine with grains, etc. Once China goes to take Taiwan all bets are off…

We are dependent on H1b workers

Re: Apple to increase spend with Broadcom to produce billions more U.S. chips

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What are the current administration's education policies that you think will have the most negative impact on our domestic manufacturing capabilities?

Nuking international students and then making it so they can't stay after getting degrees here is one huge issue: https://www.piie.com/publications/policy-briefs/2026/class-d...

a huge amount of American graduated aren't able to find work after graduation with a significant number of jobs going to foreigners. that seems problematic to me we should be putting Americans first not importing people to do the job they spent years training for.

Re: Apple to increase spend with Broadcom to produce billions more U.S. chips

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If demographics are a problem for chipmaking in China, then it's good to compare against key chipmaking countries. To compare, 2024 (UN) fertility rates (highest-lowest):[1] US: 1.62 Japan: 1.23 China: 1.02 ROC: 0.86 ROK: 0.75 (where an increase to 0.8 in 2025 was cause for celebration, as is a predicted increase to 0.85 by mid 2026)[2] Alternatively (and perhaps accounting for migration etc), UN 2024 forecasts popul…

Chipmaking is not a high labor industry (other than during the building of plants). China's one big advantage over other work forces is massive amounts of labor that can be directed by central planning. As their labor costs have gone up, labor intensive manufacturing has already started shifting away. When population declines cause labor costs to go even higher, they lose their advantage.

It is impossible to overstate how disastrous the 1CP was and continues to be for China. They will likely never recover from it.

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You say that like economic growth hasn't led to cheaper food. We used to actually have starving people in this country, now we talk about "food insecurity".

Ah, so now the bar has fallen to "people aren't literally starving (yet)." Amazing.

No, the bar has risen to "people aren't literally starving (anymore)." Amazing.

Re: Apple to increase spend with Broadcom to produce billions more U.S. chips

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You say that like economic growth hasn't led to cheaper food. We used to actually have starving people in this country, now we talk about "food insecurity".

Ah, so now the bar has fallen to "people aren't literally starving (yet)." Amazing.

Pretty sure that's a rise of the bar, not a fall.

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Easy to imagine - phones would be 1.5x more expensive than they are now, from get go. The cheap electronics (and goods in large part) have been hallmark of "quality of life in USA" for decades; I still get iPhone and Lenovo laptops 40% cheaper than family members living in Europe. However, it seems that Americans are so tired of growing prices that they are getting used to paying them. Just yesterday there was an art…

> I still get iPhone and Lenovo laptops 40% cheaper than family members living in Europe. Isn't this mostly explained by much higher sales tax (VAT) in most European countries? That doesn't seem to have anything to do with off-shoring the manuf'ing of these elctronic devices. That higher tax revenue can be used to fund excellent national healthcare (insurance) programmes, something that the US badly lacks.

Typical VAT rates are ~20%, so that only accounts for about half the difference.

Re: Apple to increase spend with Broadcom to produce billions more U.S. chips

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30B investment for "hundreds" of US jobs seems like a weird number to brag about

That merely hundreds of people can make a $30B investment return Apple/Broadcom-level profit margins is amazing . This is what technology does: More output for less labor input.

Bingo.
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