Excuse me, you have to vote a majority against something that only a bunch if suckers want? If they want a new law they should have a majority to get it. Shitshow in brussels.
Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained
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#352Most everyone would love to see more work on stopping child sexual abuse. But this is the ultimate "grant me dictatorial powers so I can do good" play. Rather than narrow and specific - it's a broad based law that suddenly touches everyone even though offenders are a small percentage and should be able to be targeted more efficiently.
its also just disastrous for signal to noise ratios. scanning everything means any sort of error rate is going to cause massive amounts of incorrect labelling. this means innocent things getting flagged and put into a system where people are treated like offenders when they arent until they can get an actual human with authority to review their circumstances (not guaranteed to happen at all btw), or some actual offen…
>"if you want to send private messages then go make your own network"
Unironically, we should all move to using TOR.
Anyone setup a .onion mirror for HN yet? I'd assume usual HN-mirror-rules, no login or posting but free to view...
Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained
#353Most everyone would love to see more work on stopping child sexual abuse. But this is the ultimate "grant me dictatorial powers so I can do good" play. Rather than narrow and specific - it's a broad based law that suddenly touches everyone even though offenders are a small percentage and should be able to be targeted more efficiently.
its also just disastrous for signal to noise ratios. scanning everything means any sort of error rate is going to cause massive amounts of incorrect labelling. this means innocent things getting flagged and put into a system where people are treated like offenders when they arent until they can get an actual human with authority to review their circumstances (not guaranteed to happen at all btw), or some actual offen…
>Are they really saying "if you want to send private messages then go make your own network
No, because with the way things work, they'll make that illegal next.
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#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The system we got for this is called parenting And it fails miserably.
It's been working for tens of thousands of years. What changed in the last few decades wasn't parenting or technology. It was the rise of the nanny state where the parents gave up the parenting of their kids and entrusted that to educational institutions instead.
>It's been working for tens of thousands of years.
I mean, I'll gladly send you 10k years back and have you tell me how it goes.
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#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
its also just disastrous for signal to noise ratios. scanning everything means any sort of error rate is going to cause massive amounts of incorrect labelling. this means innocent things getting flagged and put into a system where people are treated like offenders when they arent until they can get an actual human with authority to review their circumstances (not guaranteed to happen at all btw), or some actual offen…
>"if you want to send private messages then go make your own network" Unironically, we should all move to using TOR. Anyone setup a .onion mirror for HN yet? I'd assume usual HN-mirror-rules, no login or posting but free to view...
Tor is full of honeypots, its good for getting around 3rd party snooping but useless for government level privacy
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#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
its also just disastrous for signal to noise ratios. scanning everything means any sort of error rate is going to cause massive amounts of incorrect labelling. this means innocent things getting flagged and put into a system where people are treated like offenders when they arent until they can get an actual human with authority to review their circumstances (not guaranteed to happen at all btw), or some actual offen…
>Are they really saying "if you want to send private messages then go make your own network No, because with the way things work, they'll make that illegal next.
there's no need to make it illegal, as it's not even remotely achievable
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#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have put up a list of all the MEPs who voted for the urgency procedure yesterday (in breach of EU rules) as well as their voting history on fundamental rights issues and who has been lobbying them: https://www.thatprivacyguy.com/blog/chat-control-the-415-who...
Thanks. Please note that your link doesn't work with the tor browser.
OK it should be fixed now - there was a rate limit which doesn't normally land but due to multiple Tor users coming through the same exit node, it was triggering the limit.
Nothing to do with the certs just told me a cert error because it never finished the handshake.
I tested through Tor on multiple machines now and multiple circuits and is working clean - thanks for the heads up.
Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained
#359Most everyone would love to see more work on stopping child sexual abuse. But this is the ultimate "grant me dictatorial powers so I can do good" play. Rather than narrow and specific - it's a broad based law that suddenly touches everyone even though offenders are a small percentage and should be able to be targeted more efficiently.
I have put up a list of all the MEPs who voted for the urgency procedure yesterday (in breach of EU rules) as well as their voting history on fundamental rights issues and who has been lobbying them: https://www.thatprivacyguy.com/blog/chat-control-the-415-who...
Thank you!
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#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, every country remains sovereign. Hungary's previous regime ignored the EU for over a decade. Many countries are instituting border controls again despite the Schengen agreement.
These are the biggest issues in the EU. You make it sound like a positive thing. These countries erode the trust in law and exploit the subsidies.
You think the biggest issue in the EU is that it doesn't have enough power, parent thinks it has too much power.