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Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Wow LineageOS really is a bazaar, and not a cathedral. * 74% of installs are unofficial builds, not ones released by LineageOS. * 2/3 of US installs are on non-phones (waydroid, nintendo switch, rpi, etc) * Most of the installs on actual phones are in China, Brazil and Vietnam * Less than 21% of installs are on versions that receive security updates, and less than 9% of installs are on the latest version (mostly beca…

Exactly why I stopped installing LineageOS on my phone. While part of it was that I was no longer interested in tinkering with ROM and playing cat-and-mouse game with SafetyNet/root detection/whatever, the other part is that I cannot trust these ROMs, some of which come (or came) with their own bloatware. Those that have official builds are of course better, but the overall experience and security situation is still…

Agreed, the xda forum thing is a huge security smell. "Here, download this big binary from a random forum user and put it on a device you carry with you everywhere which is equipped with internet, camera, microphone, and GPS. You're welcome!"

The GrapheneOS setup seems a lot better (though it has more limited support).

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Is this some kind of FUD? Shady sponsors (if there is any) doesn't matter when transparency is in place. Want to reveal malicious intent? Provide a PoC. Only hardware that supports bootloader relocking are Pixel devices. There are no others to consider development effort - plain simple. No, you can't use an unlocked device as a daily driver. Up to a minute out of your hands (or triggered reboot from public power outl…

They're making inaccurate attacks on GrapheneOS to mislead people. We have sponsorships for our server infrastructure with those companies listed here:

https://grapheneos.org/sponsors

We also list the sponsors of specific servers in our server documentation:

https://grapheneos.org/articles/grapheneos-servers

Four of our sponsors are dedicated server companies and one is a VPN company sponsored 2 dedicated servers for us via one of their dedicated servers providers where they have a large discount on the hardware and traffic.

IPinfo is a well known GeoIP company. They provide open source projects including Alma Linux and GrapheneOS with free access to geolocation database downloads. We use it to implement GeoDNS on our self-hosted anycast DNS clusters. They get most of their GeoIP data from crawling the internet with over 1300 probes which makes it far more accurate than the more traditional options based on WHOIS and geofeeds.

What's sketchy about any of these companies? They also don't receive anything more than being listed on our site which we would do for transparency regardless.

GrapheneOS is entirely funded by donations but other donations by both companies and individuals are informal rather than official sponsorships. For example, Proton and Cape have both repeatedly made donations to GrapheneOS.

> Only hardware that supports bootloader relocking are Pixel devices

That's not quite right, but Pixels are the only devices providing all of the hardware requirements for GrapheneOS listed here:

https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

GrapheneOS will also support future Motorola devices meeting all of these our requirements and providing official GrapheneOS support. Those will likely be available in under a year.

> I can't say anything about VPN affiliation, but everything else is complete bollocks.

Mullvad and Proton have both sponsored GrapheneOS with donations. All they wanted was us to say they donated to us which we would do for transparency anyway. We have no obligation to ever post about it again or to say anything positive about either company.

They're describing Tor as a government sponsored VPN and are claiming we promoted it because we answered people's questions about using it on GrapheneOS and have a small amount of documentation on using it. We don't specifically promote using Tor. We regularly caution people about the risk of making themselves into targets with it by accessing the public internet via exit nodes. Tor makes sense for some situations but we generally recommend using a traditional VPN for most people's use cases.

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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> non-phones (waydroid Some Waydroid installations are on phones.

Given how uncommon x86 phones are (a few asus, lenovo, etc. that did not sell well) I think it's clear the vast majority of waydroid_x86_64 are not phones, right?

I have waydroid installed to run APKs on my Ubuntu Touch phone.

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Given how uncommon x86 phones are (a few asus, lenovo, etc. that did not sell well) I think it's clear the vast majority of waydroid_x86_64 are not phones, right?

Many people that use linux distros like postmarketos on ARM phones also have waydroid for running android apps.

Right, but that would still not be x86_64 except on very uncommon phones. Look at the stats:

    waydroid_x86_64         181015
    waydroid_arm64          8718
    waydroid_tv_x86_64      3200
    waydroid_x86            1215
    waydroid_arm64_only     914
    waydroid_car_arm64_only 69
    ---
    usa_total               337390

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Given how uncommon x86 phones are (a few asus, lenovo, etc. that did not sell well) I think it's clear the vast majority of waydroid_x86_64 are not phones, right?

To get to 2/3 of US installs, you have to sum all this stuff up including waydroid_arm64.

Are we seeing different stats? Clearly x86_64 is the vast majority of waydroid installs.

    waydroid_x86_64         181015
    waydroid_arm64          8718
    waydroid_tv_x86_64      3200
    waydroid_x86            1215
    waydroid_arm64_only     914
    waydroid_car_arm64_only 69
    ---
    usa_total               337390

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Given how uncommon x86 phones are (a few asus, lenovo, etc. that did not sell well) I think it's clear the vast majority of waydroid_x86_64 are not phones, right?

I have waydroid installed to run APKs on my Ubuntu Touch phone.

Is that really running x86_64?

Re: LineageOS Statistics

#98
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Exactly why I stopped installing LineageOS on my phone. While part of it was that I was no longer interested in tinkering with ROM and playing cat-and-mouse game with SafetyNet/root detection/whatever, the other part is that I cannot trust these ROMs, some of which come (or came) with their own bloatware. Those that have official builds are of course better, but the overall experience and security situation is still…

Agreed, the xda forum thing is a huge security smell. "Here, download this big binary from a random forum user and put it on a device you carry with you everywhere which is equipped with internet, camera, microphone, and GPS. You're welcome!" The GrapheneOS setup seems a lot better (though it has more limited support).

They reduce their need for involvement by being very opinionated about what the project offers.

More projects should strive to establish a culture like GrapheneOS has.

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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- Spoofing SafetyNet used to be trivial, and not many apps depended on it; whereas these days, it's between hard and impossible to spoof Play Integrity, and it feels like much more apps depend on it. (At least, that's why I stopped rooting my phone.) - If you want a non-bloated, mostly-AOSP ROM with updates for many years, installing LineageOS (or another third-party ROM) used to be the only option; whereas these day…

I believe a lot of the enthusiasm we had at the start of the smartphone age is also now gone. The phone is now a boring device made for scrolling and running apps that are mandatory to participate in modern society.

> running apps that are mandatory to participate in modern society

This right here is why I no longer consider custom ROMs. My phone is a tool critical to my daily life and I need it to function correctly nearly 100% of the time. Custom ROMs never really reach that bar in my experience.

Also, the various forms of attestation allow corporations the power to punish me for having the temerity to modify my own property. Yet another way the tech industry has metastasized into a societal cancer.

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