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Re: Most lives are lived by default

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I don't like these kinds of posts, because they suggest that happiness is something just within our grasp, if only we did the exact right thing to grasp it. In this case, it's suggesting happiness comes in part from questing to find major change X in your life that will change everything. But I think that's actually the cause of a lot of unhappiness. It's a perpetual "grass is always greener" situation. Say you go on…

The secretary problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem

Not heard of that before, thanks for the link - interesting problem!

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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i've said this before (sorry), but cockburn, in cooperative game, describes shu ha ri - http://alistair.cockburn.us/Shu+Ha+Ri - as three stages of mastering something: following, detaching and fluent. anyway, this post is so second stage it makes me wince.

The guy just seems overly-enamoured with novelty to me; and worse, he sees it as a moral virtue to be such.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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At age 27 after working as a Software Engineer since graduating, I could see the writing on the wall. I was "Jamie" as described in this article. I made a conscious decision right then to turn off the "Life autopilot switch" as I call it. I quit my good job, sold all my stuff, and spent 2 years driving 65,000km from Alaska to Argentina in my little 2 door Jeep. It was a life changing experience, and I was shocked whe…

I'm about your age and I did the same thing in my early 20's. I chose the Marine Corps instead of college as my way out. After, I still didn't have enough so I chose adventures, sold everything, kept nothing to continually indulge in my wanderlust instead of sitting in a cube. But... And I say this with as much love as I can muster to a stranger that I see as a kindred spirit. But... What did you find at the end? Was…

Thanks for the great insight. I agree on the whole with what you are saying, though I'm wondering why you choose to describe what I'm doing with my life as "running"? I'm not running at all, I'm just looking around for the purpose of learning and adventure. I have nothing to run from.

> What did you find at the end? Was it nothing? Because that's what I found.

I wasn't "looking" for anything, other than to enjoy my life. I enjoyed those 2 years immensely, and without a doubt in my mind, more than I would have if I stayed at work "on autopilot". That's why I did it - because I wanted to. It's the same reason you (or anyone) has ever done anything in their life above bare survival. Because you want to.

>You're not better than them

I've never once thought that for even a second. Actually, I learned on the drive to look at life (mine and others) from a whole bunch of different perspectives. Never do I think in terms of "better or worse", always "different". Just because people are doing something I don't want to, that doesn't make my way "better", not by a long shot. It just means my choices are different than theirs.

> If everyone was going out to do and chase whatever it is they want there will be no room for you. Ordered society will succumb to chaos and nothing will be done

Interesting you should say that. This was one of the greatest lessons I learned on the whole drive: At the start of Latin America (Mexico) I wondered why people were so "lazy" and relaxed all day with friends and family while the roof on their house leaked. I continually thought of ways to try and make stuff better (in the western sense of the development, etc.) After 18 months, and many hours pondering and discussing, my Spanish was finally good enough to have a great conversation about it. A guy in Argentina described it to me brilliantly. The difference is credit. In the first world, when we want for example and iPhone, we go and put it on our credit card (or monthly payments) then work for the next couple of years to pay it back. The connection between how much you have to work for the iPhone and the joy of owning the iPhone is very fuzzy. Our society doesn't want us to make that connection, because it needs us to keep buying stuff, and keep going to work. In the second and third world, nobody can get credit, so if you want an iPhone, you have to go to work for a year, save like mad, then buy it outright. Let's be honest, after a week of full time work any sane person is going to seriously question if they want a stupid iPhone, realize it's not worth it, so they'll go back to working the bare minimum and relaxing with friends and family. The end result is that people in second and third world countries have way less stuff, but have way more time with friends and family. Also it's worth noting that society doesn't "collapse". People still have a roof, food, clothes and happiness. I think about this every day.

> you might find that the steady ones, the one that did everything they were told, might end up being the ones that have the most.

The most what?

As an aside, do you live in Alaska as your username suggests? I live in Whitehorse, Yukon these days.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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At age 27 after working as a Software Engineer since graduating, I could see the writing on the wall. I was "Jamie" as described in this article. I made a conscious decision right then to turn off the "Life autopilot switch" as I call it. I quit my good job, sold all my stuff, and spent 2 years driving 65,000km from Alaska to Argentina in my little 2 door Jeep. It was a life changing experience, and I was shocked whe…

I'm about your age and I did the same thing in my early 20's. I chose the Marine Corps instead of college as my way out. After, I still didn't have enough so I chose adventures, sold everything, kept nothing to continually indulge in my wanderlust instead of sitting in a cube. But... And I say this with as much love as I can muster to a stranger that I see as a kindred spirit. But... What did you find at the end? Was…

I think you're assuming a little too much here. I didn't read his journey, I admit; but what I saw him as doing was making a single trip to try and clear and focus his head to something that's more than the blank routine. He said nothing of what he's doing now, just of what he did once. There, I think, is the big difference. A lot of young college students in Europe, from what I understand, go backpacking over much of the continent for a year, to do something similar.

And your 'everything is vanity' stance? While to some extent, it is true, everything is vanity, only the superficial changes, there will still be wars, there will still be famine, there will still be droughts, there will still be power struggles, there will still be times that seem good, and so on, at least in the long view of things, you can still effort to be useful and to make a positive difference, and to grow as a person, and maybe, just maybe, to find that way in which you can make that part of your world, at least for the time you are alive, a little bit better; and if you're lucky, a bigger part of your little world a lot better.

In all, I don't think he was running. Or rather, I don't think he was only running. I think he was escaping to clear his mind and work to decide what was really important so he could then do that when his journey was over.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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At age 27 after working as a Software Engineer since graduating, I could see the writing on the wall. I was "Jamie" as described in this article. I made a conscious decision right then to turn off the "Life autopilot switch" as I call it. I quit my good job, sold all my stuff, and spent 2 years driving 65,000km from Alaska to Argentina in my little 2 door Jeep. It was a life changing experience, and I was shocked whe…

I was in your situation at 27 and I am a software developer, but I took a different path. At the time, I was doing great in my job and learning a ton but I started focusing on things, anything, outside of work. I started saying yes when coworkers would ask if I wanted to go out, or go snowboarding that weekend. But even as I obtained my post-college friendships, I still kept focus on personal growth and figuring out what hobbies makes me happy. Being outdoors camping and hunting is one of my favorite activities, and I would not have been open to hunting if I was not open to snowboarding. Hunting alone for the first time is what brought me more clarity and self confidence. I can't help but see that your 2 year driving trip may have had the same effect. Perhaps it's not your specific journey, but the choice you made to do something extremely fun and primal that nobody ever talks about. Perhaps you would like deer hunting (spot and stalk on public lands, not sit in a tree stand all day). I doubt repeating your same journey in a similar fashion would be nearly as fun, but maybe you realize you really enjoy the outdoors. For me, I've expanded to fishing, hiking, jeeping, exploring the western USA, and other forms/types of hunting.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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I'm about your age and I did the same thing in my early 20's. I chose the Marine Corps instead of college as my way out. After, I still didn't have enough so I chose adventures, sold everything, kept nothing to continually indulge in my wanderlust instead of sitting in a cube. But... And I say this with as much love as I can muster to a stranger that I see as a kindred spirit. But... What did you find at the end? Was…

Thanks for the great insight. I agree on the whole with what you are saying, though I'm wondering why you choose to describe what I'm doing with my life as "running"? I'm not running at all, I'm just looking around for the purpose of learning and adventure. I have nothing to run from. > What did you find at the end? Was it nothing? Because that's what I found. I wasn't "looking" for anything, other than to enjoy my l…

So the third world are the otters to our ants? Working just as much as necessary and enjoying the rest of their time; where as US First Worldians are in a continual work cycle? (I admit I'm not familiar with an animal that works (or seems to work) very hard for long periods of time only to go crazy at night or on the weekends --- if there is such an animal)

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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At age 27 after working as a Software Engineer since graduating, I could see the writing on the wall. I was "Jamie" as described in this article. I made a conscious decision right then to turn off the "Life autopilot switch" as I call it. I quit my good job, sold all my stuff, and spent 2 years driving 65,000km from Alaska to Argentina in my little 2 door Jeep. It was a life changing experience, and I was shocked whe…

Travel is great for this because you are literally taking a journey. It's also possible to get the same experience by taking a figurative journey mastering things that challenge you.

I wrote about this yesterday http://davidolesch.github.com/2012/12/05/how-to-choose-your-...

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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I don't like these kinds of posts, because they suggest that happiness is something just within our grasp, if only we did the exact right thing to grasp it. In this case, it's suggesting happiness comes in part from questing to find major change X in your life that will change everything. But I think that's actually the cause of a lot of unhappiness. It's a perpetual "grass is always greener" situation. Say you go on…

Agreed. There's this sense that because a situation feels wrong, something actually IS wrong. But one must apply some rational checks to those notions, and see if the problem is really within rather than without.

Re: Most lives are lived by default

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I directly disagree with this post and take a naturalist approach. People aren't unhappy because they want more; they are unhappy because their basic needs aren't met. And by needs I don't mean material needs, but basic self realization needs. We actually need very little to be happy, but people now live their lives in way they were not designed to be. As a primordial tribesmen, all people needed were the love and ca…

While I'm no expert on the matter that sounds like an awfully rose-coloured view of the life of a typical "primordial tribesman".

Perhaps, but I recently read something which suggested they (to be precise, Native Americans) really were happier than the European settlers of the time:

"All of the white people who joined Indian tribes loved it and refused to go back to white civilization. All the Indians who joined white civilization hated it and did everything they could to go back to their previous tribal lives."

http://squid314.livejournal.com/340809.html (There's a lot more on the subject than just the bit I quoted.)

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