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Ants: Who looks after the injured in a colony?

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Re: Ants: Who looks after the injured in a colony?

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> The ants carry out prophylactic amputations. This not only protects the colony from infection but also doubles the survival rate of the injured workers. To keep everybody around you healthy makes the probability of caching a disease lower for yourself, too. Grooming behaviour in primates helps in the same way. And it is so important that it is linked to all kinds of mental rewards. To let disease run amok in your o…

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Re: Ants: Who looks after the injured in a colony?

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> The ants carry out prophylactic amputations. This not only protects the colony from infection but also doubles the survival rate of the injured workers. To keep everybody around you healthy makes the probability of caching a disease lower for yourself, too. Grooming behaviour in primates helps in the same way. And it is so important that it is linked to all kinds of mental rewards. To let disease run amok in your o…

They can look altruistic at the individual level while still being completely aligned with self-preservation at the group level

Ants are also a special case because the vast majority of ants cannot reproduce. Only the queen and drones are reproductive agents, 99.9 percent of the colony are non reproductive, so their investment in the survival of the colony is total, they have no individual agenda.

Re: Ants: Who looks after the injured in a colony?

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If you're interested in ants (and even if you're not) I highly recommend the book Journey to the Ants by Bert Hölldobler and Edward O. Wilson.

Never heard of that book, thanks for the recommendation. I always found Mark Moffetts talks/interviews/books interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60-iFyfjRo0

Re: Ants: Who looks after the injured in a colony?

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I’m surprised they don’t just eject the injured worker from the colony. I wonder if there are specific tasks the amputated ant then goes on to do, or if they resume their former duties at a lower speed.

Some ants isolate themselves when they are close to death, which prevents infectious diseases from wiping out the entire colony. [1]

I think in this case forcibly ejecting the injured ant could lead to more injuries of otherwise healthy ants.

[1]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098220...

Re: Ants: Who looks after the injured in a colony?

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I’m surprised they don’t just eject the injured worker from the colony. I wonder if there are specific tasks the amputated ant then goes on to do, or if they resume their former duties at a lower speed.

I'm going to hazard a speculative answer with poor evidence: love. The ants love one another, as shown by their child-rearing, grooming, playing, the "antennating" mentioned in the article, collective defense, and deliberate handling of their dead. We don't understand their language, but I have a certain faith that ants experience a very similar kinship for their sisters as we. If they were strictly-rational robots t…

I mean that is an untestable claim right? Like we can only infer from their behavior and there is no absolute way to really understand what consiousness is and how other species experience it. So while yes they may love each other but love is a very complex emotion with specific meaning while what they do is more reactive actions that keep the herd safe instead of subjective affection. It is highly unlikely ants are capable of complex emotions given their nervous system design

Re: Ants: Who looks after the injured in a colony?

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I’m surprised they don’t just eject the injured worker from the colony. I wonder if there are specific tasks the amputated ant then goes on to do, or if they resume their former duties at a lower speed.

That could imply that maybe ants have some sort of disability benefits for those who have lost limbs.

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Fascinating stuff, I wonder if nature is reusing the "care" neuro-circuitry or if it's some other mechanism. Brood care and fellow care seem to be related by that thread. Would love to see those ants fMRIs at each stage.

Isn't fMRI resolution similar in size to 1 ant?

You can have sub 0.1mm resolution with specialised coils

Re: Ants: Who looks after the injured in a colony?

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I’m surprised they don’t just eject the injured worker from the colony. I wonder if there are specific tasks the amputated ant then goes on to do, or if they resume their former duties at a lower speed.

That could imply that maybe ants have some sort of disability benefits for those who have lost limbs.

>“maybe ants have some sort of disability benefit”

Eusocial Security?

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