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China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by throw2827274 »

carabiner wrote: post #294
jst1fthsdys wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a strong theme of "Chinese people are drones" when you hear about whatever the west's current propaganda issue is. I'm not sure if the poster was explicitly trying to hint at that, or just repeating derived ideas from those that really think it. Lots of posts about how the CPC isn't really doing the will of the people, they are just following and the people are too docile or subdued to resist. Chinese people…

Chinese govt is a GPU. US is a CPU. Whether that's hereditary is a separate question, but culture exists.

It's 100% social. The biggest difference is Americans generally believe immigrants and minorities can become American, and diversity is good. Whereas Chinese people believe you are born Chinese. Recently China is trying to change that and create a larger, more diverse, Chinese identity.

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Post by jfyi »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #419
defrost wrote: post #399

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Opinions seem varied, that's for sure. Wikipedia describes the camps more as rebranded than "over now" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps and those annoying Australians are claiming the CCP are using "powerful resources in Beijing’s ongoing efforts to reshape the global narrative on Xinjiang, influence political elites abroad" - https://www.aspi.org.au/report/cultivating-friendly-forces/ (July…

Yeah, ASPI and Adrian Zenz are the sources for basically every allegation in Xinjiang besides just quoting what the government itself said they're doing. Their evidence is typically "sources". Meanwhile all of Ukraine and Gaza have been on youtube the whole time, everyone has a cell phone, why do we go back to the same 2 ideological think tanks with rumor-tier evidence every time on this issue? Seriously. Find any ar…

To be fair, Gregory Stanton has had the US listed as problematic for awhile now and he's considered a top authority on the topic. Of course his reports are based on the definition from the UN Genocide Convention which you don't seem to hold in high regard.

https://www.genocidewatch.com/country-pages/united-states-of...

I would suggest that the strict etymology of a word doesn't really matter much in geopolitics, at least not as much as legal definitions arrived at via international consensus.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

Aunche wrote: post #430
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #351

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Facilitation payment are usually considered the less egregious kinds of bribery, some may be considered acceptable in a culture, and there can be a whole etiquette to it. In some countries, doctors or surgeons are severely underpaid and it would be customary for a well off citizen to bring them a gift or a cash summ before an important surgery. That’s quite different from Kickbacks (rampant in UK leaseholds by the wa…

Just because it's considered acceptable doesn't mean that you can't get in trouble for it down the line if you get the wrong people upset. "Acceptable" bribery goes far beyond giving a gift to your underpaid doctor. What I meant by funding payroll is that it's pretty common to basically "donate" to a hospital and then afterwards your kid magically has a job there. What those who fetishize China's punishment of billio…

I am just saying that it would be good if we could have more precise discussion about corruption because different types of it are not equal, and we have more precise terminology.

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Post by [deleted] »

z2 wrote: post #271
maerF0x0 wrote: post #192

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> to his concept of China’s honor and global standing. Or his sinocentricity and even racism (as in superiority of chinese people). There's been a long standing view in China about their own superiority of others, including all the way into the way they view their national pride as extending back further than any other civilization, even though external historians might view it more like several disjoint civilization…

I don't think this makes any sense, what you argue would imply that the external historians would say that Japanese history starts in 1947 or that French history starts in 1958, but I'm not sure if they nor people of those countries would agree with that. The point is, there's a lot more to history than political organization. A continuous culture and language is a big part of why civilizations extend far beyond the…

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Post by superxpro12 »

hbd-investor wrote: post #230
varispeed wrote: post #19

It's a shame we relabelled corruption as lobbying. The damage it has done is untold. One thing that China does should be adopted in the West.

trump and biden both pardoned tons of white collar criminals

Classic whataboutism and both sides are the same in a single sentence? wow thats a new record!

Trump's pardons far exceed what Biden did in terms of scope and corruption. Trump's literally collecting bribes for pardons. There has been multiple confirmed, documented cases of someone donating to his reelection fund or buying trump coins, and then receiving a pardon in short order.

This is blatant misrepresentation to try and justify the unprecedented corruption by the current administration. He will be documented as the most corrupt president ever, even surpassing U.S.Grant for the title.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

jamiek88 wrote: post #360
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #342

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>> The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) provided roughly $1.4 million to the Wuhan Institute of Virology So.. Biden?

Came to power in 2021 - time traveler too is he? Did you mean Trump?

Hard to tell one old man with dementia from another

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Post by stasomatic »

tyre wrote: post #78
TrackerFF wrote: post #8

I sometimes see people "celebrate" this, with the rationale that China is cracking down on white-collar crimes and handing out sentences unheard of in the west. But, are these sort of things just examples of selective prosecution? Would the inner circle members of CCP leadership realistically face the same prosecution and sentencing, if they were to be caught doing the same?

Xi has shown repeatedly that he’s serious about corruption. As others have noted, some of the highest civilian and military officials have been removed for it. Some sentenced to death. He sees it as a challenge to his legitimacy and China’s power, which, as you’d expect are the most important things to him; even if you take the most cynical view. Another timely example, because it is the World Cup, is the Chinese foo…

>Xi has shown repeatedly that he’s serious about corruption. As others have >noted, some of the highest civilian and military officials have been removed for >it. Some sentenced to death.

Honest question to anyone who may be from China - the perception I've been fed in the US is that almost every bureaucrat is on the take. They certainly were in the USSR, you had to "know someone" to get anything done or just eat.

Perhaps it's just a RIF.

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Post by scarecrowbob »

bit-anarchist wrote: post #408
anepoitilivam wrote: post #404

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"Fbi, nsa,.." - I dont care much about their acronyms or the organizational structure "Still struggling to legally acquire information.." I dont doubt for a single moment, and I dont think you should, that you are right there in their database, with your identity, psychological profile, and all the rest. Now whether it was acquired "legally" i dont know, but when they choose people to murder abroad, I dont think that…

> I dont care much about their acronyms or the organizational structure So I call bullshit on your argument. > dont doubt for a single moment, and I dont think you should, that you are right there in their database, with your identity, psychological profile, and all the rest. I do. Perhaps I am there. Perhaps I'm not. Perhaps my name is there, but the data is wrong and/or misleading. I'm not going to deny USA's alpha…

"That said, it is undeniable that USA would have more issues pulling that off domestically, and, arguably, even internationally."

You think so?

I spend a lot of time working with (actual) anarchists in the US, and most of us are far more worried about the US gov putting us in jail (or murdering us outright) for our signal chats, protests, and "actions" than literally anything that the PRC might consider doing to us.

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Post by [deleted] »

refurb wrote: post #437
saxonww wrote: post #332

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> you need to be killing people to call it genocide No, you don't. https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/... See Article 2.

So the “-cide” root of the word which means “kill” no longer means that?

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Post by nixon_why69 »

jfyi wrote: post #442
nixon_why69 wrote: post #419

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Yeah, ASPI and Adrian Zenz are the sources for basically every allegation in Xinjiang besides just quoting what the government itself said they're doing. Their evidence is typically "sources". Meanwhile all of Ukraine and Gaza have been on youtube the whole time, everyone has a cell phone, why do we go back to the same 2 ideological think tanks with rumor-tier evidence every time on this issue? Seriously. Find any ar…

To be fair, Gregory Stanton has had the US listed as problematic for awhile now and he's considered a top authority on the topic. Of course his reports are based on the definition from the UN Genocide Convention which you don't seem to hold in high regard. https://www.genocidewatch.com/country-pages/united-states-of... I would suggest that the strict etymology of a word doesn't really matter much in geopolitics, at l…

I mean, I wouldn't consider him a top authority. It's an overly lawyerly approach to US treatment of groups that are clearly not actually being genocided (presently, native americans were). So I disagree on the same grounds as China, you need some mass casualties at minimum before getting into the legal nitty gritty. Maybe mass sterilization could also suffice.

I actually restrained myself from pointing out that the standards used against China in this thread would fit just fine against US treatment of minorities, it seemed too facile.

Now, western actions in the middle east on the other hand, we have mass casualties so legal arguments are on the table. I wonder if they said anything incensed and dumb that would indicate genocidal intent.

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