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It seems that the age of reading might be a short anomaly in human history

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Re: It seems that the age of reading might be a short anomaly in human history

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We were in an age of reading? I gave up about 10 years ago on people as readers. I have recommended so many books and articles to software people over the years and it's honestly depressing how many people have told me they don't like to read. Like...you're a programmer? And you don't like to read? I assumed that people who enjoy software would be into intellectual stimulation but I've learned that this is wrong. Mor…

Programming probably is more intellectually stimulating than reading fiction novels.

Re: It seems that the age of reading might be a short anomaly in human history

#72

We were in an age of reading? I gave up about 10 years ago on people as readers. I have recommended so many books and articles to software people over the years and it's honestly depressing how many people have told me they don't like to read. Like...you're a programmer? And you don't like to read? I assumed that people who enjoy software would be into intellectual stimulation but I've learned that this is wrong. Mor…

I gave up reading when I got my first portable computer. Not sure why. But after some time I got sick of it and got back to reading and I love it!

For some reason I suddenly got an urge to read long deep fantasy. Storm light archive is perfect for this, I recommend play some fantasy reading music on background. It's a bliss, especially in summer afternoon with cold coffe.

Re: It seems that the age of reading might be a short anomaly in human history

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post #31

Even as the author points out people are reading more, he continues to conflate books with reading - and not just that but reading specifically physical books (referring to his stats around book ownership). The reality is that before, you needed to read huge swaths of information to find/know the relevant information. Now you don’t. The density of useful information I gather from places like Wikipedia, even long form…

> The reality is that before, you needed to read huge swaths of information to find/know the relevant information. Now you don’t.

> The density of useful information I gather from places like Wikipedia, even long form articles is substantially higher than I got reading non-fiction.

You're in good company. Sam Bankman-Freid:

  I would never read a book. I’m very skeptical of books. I don’t want to say no book is ever worth reading, but I actually do believe something pretty close to that. I think, if you wrote a book, you fucked up, and it should have been a six-paragraph blog post.
You do actually need to read huge swaths of information to understand the relevant information. A good nonfiction book isn't long because of low information density: it's because the ideas are so complicated that it takes an entire book to explain it. Your approach is emblematic of a modern trend where people know a bunch of smart factoids but have no broader wisdom or understanding.

Not reading books because of "information denisty" is a lazy rationalization for dumbing yourself down. Wikipedia is good as a quick reference if you already understand something, but a disaster for learning.

Re: It seems that the age of reading might be a short anomaly in human history

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post #31

Even as the author points out people are reading more, he continues to conflate books with reading - and not just that but reading specifically physical books (referring to his stats around book ownership). The reality is that before, you needed to read huge swaths of information to find/know the relevant information. Now you don’t. The density of useful information I gather from places like Wikipedia, even long form…

> The reality is that before, you needed to read huge swaths of information to find/know the relevant information. Now you don’t. > The density of useful information I gather from places like Wikipedia, even long form articles is substantially higher than I got reading non-fiction. You're in good company. Sam Bankman-Freid: I would never read a book. I’m very skeptical of books. I don’t want to say no book is ever wo…

I've read plenty of scientific articles that read like the author is trying to fulfill a word count. There's definitely something to be said for brevity.

Re: It seems that the age of reading might be a short anomaly in human history

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> Adult-literacy scores have also dropped: Nearly 30 percent of American adults cannot paraphrase or make inferences from a multipage text. In 2017, that number was less than 20 percent. Shrinking the passages on the SAT from full-page to a few sentences will exacerbate this trend.

Humans tend to reflexively shift their learning to their environment.

We often judge those changes but we are notoriously bad at consciously predicting the future our collective unconscious often does.

Re: It seems that the age of reading might be a short anomaly in human history

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

which could, for the most part, be boiled down to 2 hour-long segments. so much is stretched out for the sake of padding. the good news is that scrubbing through shows is possible — it is usually painfully clear when to stop & watch at double speed — & time otherwise lost is recovered in this way.

Not really. Movies are good for plot oriented stories, with clear beginning, middle, and end. But they are not ideal for more character driven or lore oriented content. Long slow burning stories told over many episodes let you really show many facets of characters and also opportunities to hint at a much larger world than what can be shown within 2 hours.

TV has always been about characters - they couldn't do a plot well because they well knew regular viewers would once in a while not be able to watch an episode and so they can't found on your knowing what happened last time - people would miss. TV needed a way to get people to watch as many shows as possible, and that meant getting you involved in the characters, and write stories that could be watched in any order.

Movies meanwhile had a long time between the next one and so you couldn't get people deeply involved in the characters. However you had enough to pull off a slightly complex plot and so that is what movies did.

Re: It seems that the age of reading might be a short anomaly in human history

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> Optimists once believed that universal literacy was inevitable. Now it seems that the age of reading might be a short anomaly in human history. What dreadful hyperbole. If reading is in decline, it’s just that we are in a crisis of widespread ignorance and broken education system, but good luck navigating through life without knowing how to read. The anomaly might in fact be that we are regressing in human general…

Not "the rest of history," but relative to the ~1800-2000 period of steadily increasing literacy and educational attainment.

The European Dark Ages after the fall of Western Rome was a real thing. Many people regressed to the Stone Age for hundreds of years, and we lost almost every written work from ancient Greece and Rome. That can absolutely happen with the US and EU by 2200, especially considering digital information is far more fragile over centuries than papyrus and parchment.

Re: It seems that the age of reading might be a short anomaly in human history

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post #23

It's been my impression that classic literature is going the same way as painting and other forms of high art. It was certainly a great display of human intellectual prowess and artistic capacity in bygone times when the world moved at a much slower pace, but who has the time and the energy to read a long novel today? Even cinema is dying and nobody seems to care that much.

Cinema is dying? Hollywood is on track to have its best year since 2019. Where do people come up with this stuff?

Inflation adjusted outcomes and overall ticket sales down 30-40%

Overall ticket sales Globally are down 46% since 2000.

Please learn to tell financial engineering headlines from reality.

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