Is there no such thing as Fair Use in German copyright law?
Something really scary is going on in Germany
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Re: Something really scary is going on in Germany
#12503. Here's the Google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://...
I didn't listen much in high school English; is linking to a Google cache of this blog post ironic?
No. When a site is down, it is customary on Hacker News for someone to go to Google and get the last cached (saved) version of the web-page from them to post it those that can't access it to read, as a sort of convenience. It's also common for the plaintext of the article to be posted here.
Re: Something really scary is going on in Germany
#13From the first comment on that:
"What’s wrong with newspapers being paid for the content that they produce? No one has to use their headlines if they don’t want to pay for it."
What about fair use? Does that exist in Germany? I'm a quote geek for example. I love collecting "favourite quotes", giving a source (link if possible). I started out with the general quotes everybody knows, but of course I also copy and paste from the web in general, and sometimes I actually type what I read in a book, and translate it to English. Man, I even love talking about it. I love quotes.
Now, I consider that "fair use", and since I do it mostly in English the noobs left me alone so far. But I don't even know if there is such a thing as fair use in Germany... any ideas?
Re: Something really scary is going on in Germany
#14I'm very curious to know how they would determine how much Google should pay, and how to distribute that money to the different publishers. Anyway, I think that Google, if the law is passed, should refuse to pay and stop publishing news from publishers from Germany (there are always still Austrian and Swiss newspapers for German news).
Just because they share the same language doesnt mean the journalistic quality regarding local/national news is equal. A german newspaper will always be more detailed and in-depth when it comes to national matters.
Of course the quality and quantity of German news on Google would worsen, but the point would be to see if it is Google benefiting more from the newspapers, or the other way around.
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#16Is there no such thing as Fair Use in German copyright law?
"While many other countries recognize similar exceptions to copyright, only the United States and Israel fully recognize the concept of fair use."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Influence_internationa...
Re: Something really scary is going on in Germany
#17From the first comment on that: "What’s wrong with newspapers being paid for the content that they produce? No one has to use their headlines if they don’t want to pay for it." What about fair use? Does that exist in Germany? I'm a quote geek for example. I love collecting "favourite quotes", giving a source (link if possible). I started out with the general quotes everybody knows, but of course I also copy and paste…
In the spirit of DRY, here's a link to the a comment of mine, 200 pixels away on this very page, answering that exact question:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4883289
But I suppose I really should have refactored the comment out into a top-level comment and linked to it from both. :)
Re: Something really scary is going on in Germany
#18From the first comment on that: "What’s wrong with newspapers being paid for the content that they produce? No one has to use their headlines if they don’t want to pay for it." What about fair use? Does that exist in Germany? I'm a quote geek for example. I love collecting "favourite quotes", giving a source (link if possible). I started out with the general quotes everybody knows, but of course I also copy and paste…
In the spirit of DRY, here's a link to the a comment of mine, 200 pixels away on this very page, answering that exact question: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4883289 But I suppose I really should have refactored the comment out into a top-level comment and linked to it from both. :)
Okay, that kinda leaves Israel since I'd never move to the US :P Thanks!
Re: Something really scary is going on in Germany
#19I'm very curious to know how they would determine how much Google should pay, and how to distribute that money to the different publishers. Anyway, I think that Google, if the law is passed, should refuse to pay and stop publishing news from publishers from Germany (there are always still Austrian and Swiss newspapers for German news).
Just because they share the same language doesnt mean the journalistic quality regarding local/national news is equal. A german newspaper will always be more detailed and in-depth when it comes to national matters.
Could newspapers actively allow search engines etc. to quote them? I am thinking of heise when I say this, one of the few utterly "good guys" where "we won't sue, you can trust us" would actually work.
Or would this law mean the state attorney can simply sue Google et al, regardless of the stance of the supposed victim?
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#20If they succeed they will simply remove themselves from the discourse and accelerate their obsolescence.
Sure, and I would welcome that. But I think smaller publishers (including bloggers) might have problems, too. The law would apply to their blogs as well, they would have to figure out how to allow Google and others to still quote them. It might be so complicated that it would cause a lot of blogs to shut down.
Other news processors were already mentioned in the article. I just fear that it would make it too costly to experiment and would kill small publishers.