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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by oalae5niMiel7qu »

jojobas wrote: post #512
thi2 wrote: post #453

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More than once did my lane assistant try to run me into the barrier in a construction zone. You can turn it off, however its on again after on the next start... And all this comes with insanely high priced repairs that you cant really DIY anymore.

Once on a rental car brake assist decided I'm about to hit something on a kerb in a curve on a wet highway. I was using maybe 50% tire grip to corner and sudden braking took it over 100%. 1/10 would not recommend. Sure this sort of systems might reduce overall death toll by addressing worst suspects like drunk or distracted drivers but I'm pretty sure they makes it worse for diligent ones.

It specifically makes it worse for high-skill drivers. If you were the sort of driver who never uses more than 10% of your tires' grip (even if it requires slowing to absurd speeds whenever there's a curve), you wouldn't see sudden braking.

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Post by FeloniousHam »

m463 wrote: post #623
aljgz wrote: post #136

New cars are UX nightmares. I'm driving an electric Toyota bz4x. Lovely mechanics, but the general UX (some are because of Android Auto) is terrible. The remote's lock/unlock don't do anything when the car is on. Example: I'm by the trunk and it won't open unless I go back to the driver's door and unlock the doors. App's remote function has too many conditions to do anything. For instance, I'm resting in the back sea…

> New cars are UX nightmares. It's amazing that china might be the one stepping up and regulating sanity by returning good turn signals and gear selectors: https://www.notateslaapp.com//news/3593/tesla-likely-to-make... (on some models tesla has turn signals as buttons on the wheel/yoke and gear selection on the ...touchscreen... yikes)

My Y has the stalk, but the touchscreen gear selection is no issue. (Ignoring the fact that I rarely manually drive the car) I only touch the screen to put it in gear once, maybe twice on a drive, and I'm stopped in any case.

Add in the fact that car will automatically put the car in the right "gear" 80% of the time based on environment (curbs, walls, etc.), it's even less important how the gear selected. Getting into other cars, I'm struck by how much space in the center console is wasted by this vestige of an actual manual gear shifter. Also the silly paddles on the steering wheel.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by tavavex »

arthurofbabylon wrote: post #708

There's considerable cynicism in these comments and I have to suspect a puritan bent in most of them. No, no one is watching you. No, these cameras are not here to catch you doing bad things. The purpose is very clear: reduce roadway mortality by reducing distracted driving. Frankly, I want OTHER PEOPLE to have this system in their car, while they are driving around me. Half of the cars I've driven over the past 3 or…

> I'd hope lawmakers and public advocates can devise solutions that allow both safe cars and secure data practices. This is not a case where safety in one domain needs to be traded for safety in another.

The reason for the cynicism is that this has never happened. Can you think of a time in tech when a new method that could be used for tracking and spying was devised and then everyone was sensible about it, developed reasonable regulations and it has never come back to bite us since?

It's always extremely easy to argue for anything that increases safety, because then the proponents can propose anything with the justification that their metric isn't zero yet, and then argue that anyone opposing them supports death or crime. But frankly, everything is safe enough. If the status quo was frozen in terms of tracking technology, no one would notice it and decry the lack of safety. Deaths in traffic accidents in the EU are down dramatically since the year 2000. So yes, I don't mind stopping for a bit if that prevents us from descending down a winding path to a place where every single object is always connected, permanently tracked and is mandated to collect, analyze and send out a thousand different data points to keep a tight grip on everything.

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Post by projektfu »

itishappy wrote: post #505
projektfu wrote: post #426

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That's like the jurisdictions that put rumble strips on the white line and not further into the shoulder. Very frustrating for ordinary cornering.

Why would ordinary cornering need to use the shoulder?

The most comfortable path around a curve in the road starts on the outside of the lane, peaks at the inside of the lane, and returns to the outside. This is similar to a racing line. Using the shoulder enables an even better path. The lane-centered path is less comfortable and, honestly, less natural.

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Post by quietsegfault »

dvratil wrote: post #827

I sometimes wonder how these systems are being tested on the road and whether there's any feedback from the test drivers, or what kind of morons are there saying "this is completely fine, exactly like intended" when they read the feedback... My car has adaptive cruise control and will automatically adjust speed based on speed limit signs. I was on a highway at 130km/h and the car read a 60km/h speed limit sign that w…

I have a Korean SUV in the US, and I am rarely bothered by the attention alert. When I am, I’m very clearly not paying attention, and reminded gently to stop being a fool and pay attention! I like the implementation in my vehicle.

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Post by sfn42 »

userbinator wrote: post #590
baw-bag wrote: post #190

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Toyota... When we look after a dog for a few days for a friend, it beeps. When I put shopping on the back seat, it beeps. Drives me wild. It "beep... beep... beep..." for a minute then "BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP". I wouldn't get another because of how annoying that is.

This is how you get many people to just keep the belts fastened permanently and not bother putting them around themselves.

As if those people were going to be using the seat belts anyway

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Post by red-iron-pine »

Humphrey wrote: post #568

I hired a Chinese Haval Car for a weekend last year (Australia). It started beeping at me for being distracted because I was checking for traffic in the other lanes - which is crucial when driving in a 4 lane highway. Of cause, I had never experienced such a beep before, so I had to take my eyes off the road tp look at the screen to see what the reason for the beeping was. Then, on a multlane highway, I would indicat…

> Then, on a multlane highway, I would indicate to signal my intention to change lanes. The car then started beeping at me. After a couple of days I figured out it was warning me that there was a car in my blind spot. WTF! The whole point of indication is to signal my intention to move, so that the car in my blind spot creates room for me to merge into their lane.

"a turn signal is not a question, it is a statement"

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Post by WA »

aenis wrote: post #604
deergomoo wrote: post #389

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Cookie consent popups are only a scourge because publishers would rather further irritate their users than stop selling your data to their 936 “trusted partners”.

This is a bit more nuanced than that. Under the GDPR provisions, strictly necessary cookies are exempt from the consent screen. But the way the exemptions read prompts all the lawyers to "well, maybe it's sort of necessary for you to have a session_id, but its so, so much safer to have the damn consent screen, so please...". I worked in technical roles at large companies that had completely honest-to-god private, str…

The law doesn’t mention Cookies even once.

If your company is overcompliant, seems to be a company issue. This is a general trend I observed: way too many companies and even government entities don’t do certain things for "privacy reasons", while they’re just lazy and privacy is an excuse.

It’s not like not having a consent banner for necessary cookies will result in a fine right away. Most fines are for serious stuff.

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Post by mint5 »

hparadiz wrote: post #541
borosuxks wrote: post #64

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I'm not sure it's actual regulations, but the Euro NCAP safety tests requiring all these "features" (like not remembering when you turn them off) to get a max score. And who doesn't want the safest car?

People that have a perfect driving record.

Everyone starts with a perfect driving record until one day it’s not perfect.
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