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Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Post by noirscape »

XiS wrote: post #22

It's quite sad to see these stats. It used to be the defacto standard for custom ROMs. These dwindling numbers make me think either people aren't as interested in custom ROMs anymore and using the (bloated/Google) factory ROMs or maybe there's some new standard. Didn't these numbers used to be much, much higher in the past? NB: Since I'm on GrapheneOS now I haven't looked back

It's because of Google Play Services and the subsequent years long gutting of AOSPs application list. Google enforces OEMs to bundle their entire suite if they want to ship with Play Services and then uses that as an excuse to kill the basic AOSP phone apps that are outside of their ecosystem. That in turn harms the ability for Custom ROMs to ship basic apps like SMS readers, phone dialers and similar such, all of which used to be (maybe some still are, but they're all very much not well maintained) part of AOSP. If there's any silver lining, the upcoming play service blockade to install your own software on Android is likely going to at least create a burst of users for older devices.

The actual numbers are frankly even more disappointing - these numbers are heavily pushed up up by waydroid, which is an emulator for Android apps on Desktop Computing. More than half of the US installs is running Waydroid, with the actual most used real device in the US being nx_tab... which is LineageOS for the Nintendo Switch. That's a difference of 180k and 12k btw. The most used actual phone in the US for LineageOS is beyondx, which is the codename for the Galaxy S10 5g, a device that at a glance stopped being sold last year.

China by contrast fares much better when it comes to LineageOS (as Google Play Services isn't allowed in the country by export controls, the control from Google isn't nearly as strong there); the most used device there is actually a phone, the Xiaomi Mi 8 (dipper) and right behind it, the Xiaomi Mi 10T(/Pro) codenamed apollon.

Final country worth mentioning is Brazil, which apparently really likes the moto g7 power (ocean), a phone from roughly the same period as the Galaxy S10 5g.

Vietnam is also relatively high, with the Galaxy S7 (herolte) being the most used device. Russia is just a case where it's basically all waydroid users - not real phones.

At least from my understanding of the world, most of these numbers make sense if you consider them in proximity to US power, financial capabilities making phones last longer than their official support dates and just a rough idea of what phone brands are popular in which country.

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Post by xbmcuser »

notatoad wrote: post #5
pavon wrote: post #3

Wow LineageOS really is a bazaar, and not a cathedral. * 74% of installs are unofficial builds, not ones released by LineageOS. * 2/3 of US installs are on non-phones (waydroid, nintendo switch, rpi, etc) * Most of the installs on actual phones are in China, Brazil and Vietnam * Less than 21% of installs are on versions that receive security updates, and less than 9% of installs are on the latest version (mostly beca…

i'm not sure all those "installs on actual phones" in china are real - 107k installs all on the same device, vs ~30k installs on the next most popular device. and 150k devices on an unknown carrier. is the Xiaomi Mi 8 really that popular for lineageOS, or is this some measurement artifact or common emulation setup?

Mi 8 has a very good camera and battery life I am guessing it could be used as live streaming phone in china so still useful despite being an older device

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Post by StrLght »

jorvi wrote: post #51
StrLght wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please share some examples? I often see them being on point and highlighting important details. Majority of custom roms aren't taking security seriously, so I don't think there's anything wrong with calling them out on that.

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I find it to be pretty reasonable, and also consistent with what GrapheneOS previously said. They were consistently against company-owned verification. I don't see anything offensive here: they aren't attacking individuals or projects, but rather attacking an approach that is harmful.

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Post by renjieliu »

Surprised to see there're only one million devices with lineage OS installed. I personally installed it on a few amazon fire tablets. I thought it would be more than 10m devices at least.

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Post by MYEUHD »

renjieliu wrote: post #64

Surprised to see there're only one million devices with lineage OS installed. I personally installed it on a few amazon fire tablets. I thought it would be more than 10m devices at least.

The stats collection is opt-in

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Post by timschumi »

progval wrote: post #57
onli wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I can't find information about this except in a Reddit thread. Is it documented somewhere?

If you are talking about the addition of microG, that indeed seems like it hasn't been mentioned on the blog, although I'd argue very likely due to an oversight.

I can find internal conversations that it deserves to be announced in a more prominent way than on the "Sunsetting LineageOS 18.1" post, was left as "to be added to the LineageOS 22.x" blog post, and then just never made the initial draft. Whoops.

If you are talking about the rules on the subreddit (or the other social platforms), that one indeed has been discussed a lot on the platform itself (and which we usually keep available).

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Post by ekr »

XiS wrote: post #22

It's quite sad to see these stats. It used to be the defacto standard for custom ROMs. These dwindling numbers make me think either people aren't as interested in custom ROMs anymore and using the (bloated/Google) factory ROMs or maybe there's some new standard. Didn't these numbers used to be much, much higher in the past? NB: Since I'm on GrapheneOS now I haven't looked back

I used to be a long time lineageos (and before that, cyanogenmod) user. Phones always felt faster, smoother, and with better battery life without all the bloat. Felt more secure too.

But at some point, I had a few apps that stopped working with unofficial ROMs, or with rooted phones. For a while, I played with magisk root hiding, but the play integrity api kept changing, it was just a hassle. Not worth it.

So now I have two phones. One with lineage, and my daily driver with a factory ROM.

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Post by notesinthefield »

pavon wrote: post #3

Wow LineageOS really is a bazaar, and not a cathedral. * 74% of installs are unofficial builds, not ones released by LineageOS. * 2/3 of US installs are on non-phones (waydroid, nintendo switch, rpi, etc) * Most of the installs on actual phones are in China, Brazil and Vietnam * Less than 21% of installs are on versions that receive security updates, and less than 9% of installs are on the latest version (mostly beca…

These remind me of the cyanogenmod days where youre rom was AOSP or CM based and nearly every variant was CM based.

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Post by user2722 »

timschumi wrote: post #66
progval wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't find information about this except in a Reddit thread. Is it documented somewhere?

If you are talking about the addition of microG, that indeed seems like it hasn't been mentioned on the blog, although I'd argue very likely due to an oversight. I can find internal conversations that it deserves to be announced in a more prominent way than on the "Sunsetting LineageOS 18.1" post, was left as "to be added to the LineageOS 22.x" blog post, and then just never made the initial draft. Whoops. If you are…

While my currently favored approach is GOS', I'd really like to know more. Did anything else change? I'm 15 years out of date. In my mind:

* root is still frowned upon

* microG is frowned upon

* bypassing SafetyNet (sorry, Play Integrity) is frowned upon

* bootloader relocking is not oficially nor semi-officially supported

* missing patches (Google's 6 month source embargo) were not talked about

Re: LineageOS Statistics

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Post by ioanaci »

SahAssar wrote: post #13
seba_dos1 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> non-phones (waydroid Some Waydroid installations are on phones.

Given how uncommon x86 phones are (a few asus, lenovo, etc. that did not sell well) I think it's clear the vast majority of waydroid_x86_64 are not phones, right?

Many people that use linux distros like postmarketos on ARM phones also have waydroid for running android apps.
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