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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by leoedin »

throw0101d wrote: post #52

I have a manual 2003 Golf TDI (purchased in 2003; has a tape deck!) that's slowly rusting, and I'm not looking forward to when I have to replace it. I don't have a garage/drive way, and so have to park on the street, which makes me leans towards another short [1] vehicle: currently thinking about VW Golf, Mazda 3, Mazda CX-30, Kia Niro. From what I've seen from almost all cars, lots more screens and lots fewer button…

Mazda managed to avoid the touch screen plague until relatively recently. Their latest models seem to have adopted Android based infotainment with touchscreens though. I've got a CX-5 that's 3 years old and it's pleasingly touch screen free. Also the driver aids are mild and unintrusive.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by Tade0 »

dvratil wrote: post #827

I sometimes wonder how these systems are being tested on the road and whether there's any feedback from the test drivers, or what kind of morons are there saying "this is completely fine, exactly like intended" when they read the feedback... My car has adaptive cruise control and will automatically adjust speed based on speed limit signs. I was on a highway at 130km/h and the car read a 60km/h speed limit sign that w…

I'm happy I wasn't able to activate cruise control in the Karoq that I rented some time ago. VAG interfaces were always confusing to me and this behaviour would be more so.

I see signs recognized like that all the time, so use satnav as my reference. Unfortunately if it's not up to date (mine hasn't been for years now), it will suggest speeds which have nothing to do with reality.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by footydude »

ornornor wrote: post #818
footydude wrote: post #776

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> But car beeps generally give no clue what they're beeping about. Can't speak to all vehicles, but my VW ID3 clearly indicates what the issue is on the dashboard. So if it's the lane-keeping assist it highlights which lane(s) it is monitoring and it provides a written prompt on screen (e.g. "drive in the centre of the lane") if it's not happy. If the speed limiter is on it shows the current signed speed limit in the…

You’d be surprised. A family member bought a 2025 utilitarian car (Dacia). It’s the one on the newer platform (Clio 6) so they can implement all the beeping mandated by law. The car beeps exactly the same way whatever the reason so you can’t tell why. It even beeps when it thinks the speed limit has changed (up or down)… it’s infuriating to drive this car, there is a beep about something every minute or two. You can’…

That does sound pretty poor, surprised it's not mandated that there needs to be an onscreen warning as well, not just an unexplained beep.

For my experience i've found the safety features helpful and don't mind them. I turn off the audible warning but the onscreen warnings are helpful nudges/reminders.

The lane-assist bit I leave on and whilst I do occasionally have to 'wrestle' with the car a little in some scenarios, it doesn't ever feel like I lose control I just have to overcome a little bit more resistance when the system is concerned about me departing the lane inadvertently. For me that's not really a problem, but I do see how others might find it frustrating.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by basisword »

mattrighetti wrote: post #520
Gigachad wrote: post #399

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It only sounds like overreach because we have become numb to an incredible amount of killing from distracted drivers.

Did a quick research and saw that in 2024 there were around 12k deaths in which one or more drunk drivers were involved. Doesn’t seem like much for a country with around 350 million people. In comparison, drug causes 7x those deaths. Cancer and heart diseases even more.

I'm sure if you were one of those 12k your loved ones wouldn't be saying "what's 12k in a country of 350m?".

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by silon42 »

Tade0 wrote: post #832
dvratil wrote: post #827

I sometimes wonder how these systems are being tested on the road and whether there's any feedback from the test drivers, or what kind of morons are there saying "this is completely fine, exactly like intended" when they read the feedback... My car has adaptive cruise control and will automatically adjust speed based on speed limit signs. I was on a highway at 130km/h and the car read a 60km/h speed limit sign that w…

I'm happy I wasn't able to activate cruise control in the Karoq that I rented some time ago. VAG interfaces were always confusing to me and this behaviour would be more so. I see signs recognized like that all the time, so use satnav as my reference. Unfortunately if it's not up to date (mine hasn't been for years now), it will suggest speeds which have nothing to do with reality.

I wonder if I should install a popup 30 sign on a rear window for tailgaters in the future.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by ErneX »

I rented a car last weekend that had something similar to this and it didn’t work when I was wearing sunglasses. As soon as I put them on it said on the dashboard that I needed to take the sensor to service it or something along those lines.

Tangential, but I’ve never seen so many people fiddling with their phones while driving as I did in the US. It was pretty worrying.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by BoxOfRain »

kybernetyk wrote: post #660
phoronixrly wrote: post #502

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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

Let me guess: You get your groceries delivered by some underpaid sucker? While I enjoy biking it's impractical many times (if you don't live a sheltered life with people doing all the annoying stuff for you). We have those inner city bike extremists here, too. There's proposals like banning all motorized traffic from the city because you "can walk to your bakery duh". But they never ask themselves how the baker gets…

To be fair it depends so much on the city. Oxford is a great example, driving there is a hellish experience because it's a historic place with notable buildings which too important to knock down, especially in order to replace them with roads and car parks. They try to cram cars in anyway and it's just miserable. In reality the whole city centre should be pedestrianised because that's what the city is actually supposed to be designed around. Remove the private cars and buses, taxis, and yes of course delivery drivers will have plenty of room.

This perfectly legitimate argument for Oxford would be silly to make about say Milton Keynes.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by carlosjobim »

fsuts wrote: post #598
carlosjobim wrote: post #525

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That's not how courts function.

Why are you mentioning how courts function? It’s the police who decide what are lines of enquiries to be followed and then present that evidence to the prosecutor. If the defence want to file to exclude any exhibits that’s a decision for them, the ‘courts function’ by deciding on the evidence before them.

Being guilty of an unrelated crime doesn't influence how guilty you are for the first crime. If there's a car accident, it might be the other driver who caused it. Courts should not take into account irrelevant factors when determining guilt, and irrelevant evidence has very little value.

But yes, the punishment is like you say increased with more crimes added to the sheet.

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