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GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

mejutoco wrote: post #121
jychang wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. THIS IS BECAUSE GPT-5.6 SOL IS... just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a brand new bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus. OpenAI switching to Sol/Terra/Luna renaming is just a way to rip off people and charge more usage for the same sized model. GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra GPT-…

What is the language of those words (sol, terra, luna). It does not seem to be a single language. Spanish: Sol, tierra, luna Italian: Sole, terra, luna Catalan: Sol, terra, lluna Portuguese: Sol, terra, lua Might as well call it gelatto, siesta, fiesta if they think it sounds cool.

I wonder what those languages all stem from...

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by leokennis »

elAhmo wrote: post #99

I know a few of my comments are related to this, but these new names are horrible. Why introduce ANOTHER layer of confusion and drop the mini, nano suffixes that people got used to? How does this go through so many layers of management at a trillion dollar company without who has a say raising this? I simply can't believe how stupid the naming scheme from OpenAI was and continues to be even after they acknowledged it…

(At least in Europe) Toyota used to name their models "Sol", "Luna" and "Terra" as well. Sol had all the trimmings, Terra had the least.

It sounded nicer than something like "Luxury" and "Basic".

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by user43928 »

Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #60
bottlepalm wrote: post #52

Coding with AI it feels like if you're not using the best model then you're possibly missing out - creating less capable, maintainable, just plain 'good' code. Why waste time using anything less than the best and cleaning up the mess later on. This is why I feel like local models and Chinese models aren't taking off (and Gemini/Grok) - they work, but they're plain just not as good as OpenAI/Anthropic. If you have the…

That depends entirely on how you're using AI. If you're getting it to do all the hard thinking, then sure using the best model is probably always going to be better. But it's also going to be expensive. Using cheaper models and using your skills and expertise from the pre-AI era can get you working just as fast. You've gotta be more specific about the work you need doing. It's less "vibes" based, but they're still ef…

Or maybe you are still iterating on a plan or spec file with Qwen 3.6 27B, while I implemented three features with Fable and QA tested them in the testing environment.

Of course, if you think that this approach is as fast and effective as "vibe coding" as in outsourcing more thinking to the AI, it is not surprising you would conclude the cheaper models were nearly as useful.

I don't know if you are right or not, a lot depends on the constraints of the project and team.

Some of the newer arguably now viable use cases, such as porting a large codebase to Rust, are certainly not going to be as fast with a more manual approach.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by nullbio »

aarvin_roshin wrote: post #4

Thoughts[^0] from Theo, who had early access: > It's a damn good model. Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. Fixed all the problems I had with GPT-5.5. > It is incredibly determined. Will run for a day without even using a /goal. It understands subagents incredibly well and is great at orchestrating. It's super pleasant in use cases like OpenClaw and Hermes Agent. It knows iOS dev incredibly w…

Next up: Thoughts from an OnlyFans model.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

cbg0 wrote: post #125
jychang wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is because GPT-5.6 is just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus. GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra GPT-5.6-nano ---> GPT-5.6 Luna Two important things to note, if you want to verify what I say/correct me: GPT-5.6 Terra actually scores worse than GPT-5.5 on many benchmarks. It's not GPT-5.5 trained with mor…

> This is because GPT-5.6 is just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a bigger model than GPT-5.5. What is this very confident assumption based on?

If it were fully trained from scratch, you'd expect to see a major version bump. The other point releases have been fine tunes or post trains.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

atraac wrote: post #130
reassess_blind wrote: post #6

I’m bouncing back between Codex and Claude like a ping-pong ball. I much prefer the experience using Codex, less verbose and to-the-point I’ve found. But Fable, being as strong as it is, is a big draw for Claude right now. I’ll likely switch back to Codex if 5.6 Sol is comparable.

I personally like Codex much more as vscode integration. It's actually nice to use, looks great, handles images much, much better, can even send me images in the chat to see what it's doing(my side project is based heavily on image processing), and what's most important to me is that /steer actually works. When I type something to Claude mid-task, it'll maybe acknowledge that within next few minutes, although it seem…

That's an IDE difference not a model difference, it's called steering vs queuing.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

mixtureoftakes wrote: post #139
bberrry wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5.6 Sol is extremely good, definitely Fable level from my experience. With 5.6 Sol being half the price and noticeably faster I think Anthropic will find the coming months unpleasant.

How do you have access?

OpenAI said in their initial blog post that certain organizations, probably big tech, have early preview access.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

behnamoh wrote: post #57
reassess_blind wrote: post #6

I’m bouncing back between Codex and Claude like a ping-pong ball. I much prefer the experience using Codex, less verbose and to-the-point I’ve found. But Fable, being as strong as it is, is a big draw for Claude right now. I’ll likely switch back to Codex if 5.6 Sol is comparable.

How? I'm pretty much locked into Claude Code and even if gpt models are good now, the experience with codex CLI has been so bad I won't go back to it. e.g., it still doesn't have /revise or /undo!

Use the Codex desktop app.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

mhrmsn wrote: post #134
matheusmoreira wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably, but I think it's too little too late. Not much point to it if it's not permanent. The "get the most out of Fable until it goes away" frenzy is getting old fast. The cybersecurity blocks are very obnoxious too. If OpenAI can launch a Fable tier model that's actually usable on a subscription, then Anthropic is just going to lose, and badly.

Agreed, this is one of the things I'm very surprised - one would think that a product like this is managed more consistently, but every few days there is another announcement or change in what the subscription can and can't do and to what extent. Same also for the announced changes around `claude -p` and Agent SDK use that were backtracked

It's because Anthropic doesn't have capacity while OpenAI does. People clowned Altman a couple years ago because of the massive data center build out commitments but that has proved to be quite prescient. It is why Codex has much higher, almost unlimited limits, while Claude Code rate limits hourly and weekly much more.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

bottlepalm wrote: post #75
Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends entirely on how you're using AI. If you're getting it to do all the hard thinking, then sure using the best model is probably always going to be better. But it's also going to be expensive. Using cheaper models and using your skills and expertise from the pre-AI era can get you working just as fast. You've gotta be more specific about the work you need doing. It's less "vibes" based, but they're still ef…

Honestly I'm on $200 a month for Claude Max and $100 a month for Codex, and it's nothing compared to the productivity gains if you're programming professionally. 10 bucks a day, I spend more for lunch. Time is money and I'm not going to waste time with a lesser model if I don't have to.

Yeah if you're a professional engineer it's a no brainer to buy these subs, even multiple subs, and you could replace another employee's salary especially if you're a solo founder working on your own product.
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