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Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal

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Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal

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Post by frumplestlatz »

kasey_junk wrote: post #223
AlexandrB wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The implication here is that schools are making these decisions on a neutral, apolitical basis - but this is not really possible, is it? As many on the left would say: "everything is political". So what we're discussing is (yet another) front in the "culture war", this time about what ideas and values children should be exposed to. Let's just be honest about that at least.

The banned books movement (on either side) is broadly not about curriculum. It’s about access in non-required spaces such as libraries and clubs. The issue there isn’t that kids are being exposed to these items, the issue is that other parents are censoring what _my_ kid can be exposed to. They are infringing on _my_ rights. Meanwhile I’m not requiring their kid to go into a library and checkout Maya Angelou.

Who or what is preventing you from exposing your children to whatever you’d prefer?

The books aren’t banned.

Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal

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Post by pfannkuchen »

cauch wrote: post #167
Aurornis wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We "ban" things from school kids all the time, though: Pornography, gambling, smoking, alcohol, R-rated movies. Dua Lipa wasn't doing a photo op with Maus . In the photos she's posing with modern books that are still being promoted by their publishers. I'm not familiar with all of them, but a quick search shows one of them is not appropriate for elementary schools because it includes essays debating which sexual acts…

> We "ban" things from school kids all the time, though: Pornography, gambling, smoking, alcohol, R-rated movies. And no one really pretended that these cases were cases of "banned books". The problem is when authority bodies (school, government, ...) start to include, in these "normal non-appropriate" books other books not because they have bad societal consequences when the reader is not mature enough, but because…

> not because they have bad societal consequences when the reader is not mature enough, but because they don't like the content for ideological reasons

“Bad societal consequences” is entirely subjective, though. This is the crux of the issue.

Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal

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Post by Natfan »

suburban_strike wrote: post #234
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of books are getting banned from schools because they mention gay characters or other "woke" content. Not at all the same thing.

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consider a world in which same sex attraction was normalized and produced children.

would you need someone to tell you you were heterosexual, or would you figure it out on your own (having rarely, if ever, seen it before)?

try considering things from other people's perspective. you'll find that it opens up your mind and heart to various forms of empathy!

Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal

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Post by account42 »

buellerbueller wrote: post #195
account42 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Used by those wanting to sell and profit from outrage about "banned" books to be precise.

See also: normal people who aren't afraid of books and think that banning them is silly.

Banning books on a country level may be silly but curating what is allowed in a school library is not. Which is exactly why people with an agenda want to conflate these two.

Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal

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Post by kasey_junk »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #251
kasey_junk wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The banned books movement (on either side) is broadly not about curriculum. It’s about access in non-required spaces such as libraries and clubs. The issue there isn’t that kids are being exposed to these items, the issue is that other parents are censoring what _my_ kid can be exposed to. They are infringing on _my_ rights. Meanwhile I’m not requiring their kid to go into a library and checkout Maya Angelou.

Who or what is preventing you from exposing your children to whatever you’d prefer? The books aren’t banned.

If you don’t allow something to exist in a school or classroom library through statute or governmental action what do you call it?

Would you prefer forbidden? Barred? Censored?

Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal

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Post by cauch »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #253
cauch wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We "ban" things from school kids all the time, though: Pornography, gambling, smoking, alcohol, R-rated movies. And no one really pretended that these cases were cases of "banned books". The problem is when authority bodies (school, government, ...) start to include, in these "normal non-appropriate" books other books not because they have bad societal consequences when the reader is not mature enough, but because…

> not because they have bad societal consequences when the reader is not mature enough, but because they don't like the content for ideological reasons “Bad societal consequences” is entirely subjective, though. This is the crux of the issue.

Saying "entirely subjective" is a bit BS, don't you think?

On one hand, you have someone who says that exposing children to sexual or violent content can have an impact on them. This is something that has been studied, sociologists, psychiatrists, doctors, ... have concluded that this is true.

On the other hand, you have someone who says that an ideology they don't like will lead to the ruin of the society. At the same time, communities, and often whole countries themselves, don't see the problem with these ideologies, and the catastrophe that this person has predicted does not occur. The only reason they claim that is because they are intolerant and want to impose their ideology, not because they want what's good for others.

So, yes, there are __some__ subjectivity. The same way that there is subjectivity around "good and bad" and yet "murdering" is universally considered as "bad" but "not going to the catholic mass" is not.

Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal

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Post by tim333 »

NoSalt wrote: post #76

I don't know anything about her music, but she seems pretty cool on the literary front.

I come across her most frequently on Google Maps where the yellow pin man icon for Google Street View is replaced by a Dua Lipa icon. (Not sure if it's global - I'm in London).

Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal

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Post by DeusExMachina »

cauch wrote: post #258
pfannkuchen wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not because they have bad societal consequences when the reader is not mature enough, but because they don't like the content for ideological reasons “Bad societal consequences” is entirely subjective, though. This is the crux of the issue.

Saying "entirely subjective" is a bit BS, don't you think? On one hand, you have someone who says that exposing children to sexual or violent content can have an impact on them. This is something that has been studied, sociologists, psychiatrists, doctors, ... have concluded that this is true. On the other hand, you have someone who says that an ideology they don't like will lead to the ruin of the society. At the sa…

> "murdering" is universally considered as "bad"

Societies that practice(d) slavery and human sacrifice clearly do not share such a "universal" value.

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